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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: "Philip K." <philipk@posteo.net>,
	"Daniel Fleischer" <danflscr@gmail.com>,
	"Richard Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>,
	"Elias Mårtenson" <lokedhs@gmail.com>,
	"Stefan Kangas" <stefan@marxist.se>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	"Dmitry Gutov" <dgutov@yandex.ru>, "Eli Zaretskii" <eliz@gnu.org>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 14:58:56 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB548889E8B550E71952F49F9BF3D09@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv1r64lcav.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> >> `C-x` for "Cut" has been standard for a lot more than a decade.
> > Yes, and?
> 
> So it's not just a passing fad that may change again any time now.
> [ Other than the general disappearance of keyboards, or maybe a move to
>   some other modifier, as in macOS ]
> 
> > Anyway, I won't argue about `C-x' (or `C-w').
> 
> And yet you did.

No, I really didn't.  I spoke to the meaning of
"faux amis".

I'm saying nothing about `C-x', because I don't
see that changing - as I said:

  I don't see Emacs moving `C-x'

(Do you, really?)

If it does, then I likely won't have a problem
with that change, because the change would have
to (somehow) deal with the current uses of
prefix key `C-x', as well as (likely) prefix
key `C-c', and key `C-v'.
___

As for how the discord between Emacs bindings
for these things and those of the outside world
affects me (I use lots of apps outside Emacs,
including the email client I'm using now):

I'm not bothered by accidentally using `C-x',
`C-c', or `C-v' in Emacs when mechanically
trying to cut, copy, or paste.  Why?  Because
those keys in Emacs are benign.  The first two
are prefix keys, so I notice quickly enough
what I did accidentally.  And the third just
scrolls a page.  All are easy to get past.

(Yes, those could well be more problematic
for a new Emacs user.  I'm speaking for myself
here.)

But where I do get a little bothered is in
the other direction - when I accidentally use
`M-w' (not `C-w') in an app like my email
client - client that tries to forward the
email I'm writing.



  reply	other threads:[~2021-09-04 14:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-03 18:00 [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration Drew Adams
2021-09-03 20:06 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-03 22:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04  2:00   ` Tim Cross
2021-09-04 13:26     ` Keybinding styles (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 13:39       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 14:25         ` Keybinding styles Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 15:44       ` Keybinding styles (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Yuan Fu
2021-09-04 15:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04 15:55           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 16:07           ` Yuan Fu
2021-09-04 16:19             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-06  3:07             ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-06 11:28               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 19:55           ` Keybinding styles Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 20:52             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-05  7:17               ` tomas
2021-09-04 16:09         ` Bird
2021-09-04 20:48         ` Keybinding styles (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Tim Cross
2021-09-05 19:03       ` John Yates
2021-09-06  4:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-07  3:16         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07 12:02           ` John Yates
2021-09-08  3:29             ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08 12:15               ` Keybinding styles André A. Gomes
2021-09-08 13:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-08 20:37                 ` John Yates
2021-09-09  5:39                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 13:40                     ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-15 14:26                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-15 15:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 20:15                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-15 21:29                         ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-09-16  5:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16  5:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-09  3:09                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-04 16:05     ` [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration Stefan Kangas
2021-09-04  2:20   ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 13:14     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 14:58       ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-09-04 16:10         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 16:40           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-05 19:27   ` John Yates
2021-09-07  3:16     ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07 15:31       ` Barry Fishman
2021-09-09  3:07         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-09 14:07           ` André A. Gomes
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-08-26 16:20 Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-26 17:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-26 17:59   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-26 19:31     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 19:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 20:12         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 20:51           ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-26 21:41             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-26 21:52               ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-30 16:30                 ` João Távora
2021-08-30 16:51                   ` Drew Adams
2021-08-30 17:59                     ` João Távora
2021-08-30 19:18                   ` André A. Gomes
2021-08-27  6:21               ` tomas
2021-08-27  6:29               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27  7:25                 ` Drew Adams
2021-08-27  1:01       ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27  7:07         ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-27  7:34           ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27  8:25             ` tomas
2021-08-27  9:47               ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27 16:59                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-27 16:59               ` Drew Adams
2021-08-27 17:08                 ` tomas
2021-08-29  3:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-28  1:39             ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  3:21               ` Tim Cross
2021-08-28  5:02                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  7:53                   ` Tim Cross
2021-08-28 16:11                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-29  0:54                       ` Tim Cross
2021-08-29  3:18                         ` Drew Adams
2021-08-30  2:59                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-27  7:00   ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-27 11:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 14:33       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-27 21:09         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-28  6:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29  2:27             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30  2:58               ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-30 12:20                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30 12:48                   ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-30 12:55                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03  4:57                       ` Elias Mårtenson
2021-09-03  5:26                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-03  7:26                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03 10:26                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 11:11                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03 11:31                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 11:41                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04  8:02                                     ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 16:32                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-04 18:39                                         ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 19:14                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 19:51                                             ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 20:18                                               ` Tim Cross
2021-09-04 20:41                                                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-31  3:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-31 11:43                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-31 16:03                       ` João Távora
2021-08-31 18:53                         ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-04 23:45                           ` Yuchen Pei
2021-09-05  1:26                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams

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