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From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
To: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2021 18:05:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADwFkmkDs-xJWFqajKuHbWSzaQ_gTPBkyjJxF6CAjm_xAYN2_A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lf4dnk0z.fsf@gmail.com>

Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com> writes:

> Yes, I think this may be a 'flavour' which has won and can no longer be
> considered a passing fad. The uncommon bindings used by Emacs for cut,
> copy and paste is probably the number one complaint I hear from new
> users. The kill-ring really just provides an enhancement rather than
> a fundamental difference.

Yup.  I don't think I could unlearn some keys (e.g. C-w for
kill-region) without massive pain.  So I'm not sure I will personally
ever bother re-learning after using Emacs for going on two decades.

At the same time, I have no idea why it is the case in 2021 that Emacs
appeases my archaic preference for C-w to the extent that it makes it
the default.  If Emacs would want to change here, it wouldn't impact
me at all if I could easily move the keys back to where I feel they
belong.

> This would probably be a good candidate for the profiles idea. Change
> the default, but have the old behaviour in a 'traditional' profile and
> have the default be the more common CUA bindings.

This would be my ideal future, as well.

> However, part of me
> wishes I'd not become accustomed to those key bindings as it is a
> constant frustration when I'm forced to use a different program which
> I've not been able to tweak - none of which would be necessary if I
> hadn't grown accustomed to Emacs bindings. These are such common and
> frequently used bindings, consistency across applications is probably
> more important than maintaining inconsistent bindings simply to
> highlight fairly subtle differences.

Amen.  I've lost work many times by closing tabs in Firefox when I
actually wanted to paste something.  Learning to mentally switch
context between "Emacs" and "not Emacs" is in this case a trial by
fire.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-09-04 16:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-09-03 18:00 [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration Drew Adams
2021-09-03 20:06 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-03 22:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04  2:00   ` Tim Cross
2021-09-04 13:26     ` Keybinding styles (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 13:39       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 14:25         ` Keybinding styles Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 15:44       ` Keybinding styles (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Yuan Fu
2021-09-04 15:50         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04 15:55           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 16:07           ` Yuan Fu
2021-09-04 16:19             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-06  3:07             ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-06 11:28               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-04 19:55           ` Keybinding styles Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 20:52             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-05  7:17               ` tomas
2021-09-04 16:09         ` Bird
2021-09-04 20:48         ` Keybinding styles (was: [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration) Tim Cross
2021-09-05 19:03       ` John Yates
2021-09-06  4:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-07  3:16         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07 12:02           ` John Yates
2021-09-08  3:29             ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-08 12:15               ` Keybinding styles André A. Gomes
2021-09-08 13:18                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-08 20:37                 ` John Yates
2021-09-09  5:39                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 13:40                     ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-15 14:26                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-09-15 15:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-15 20:15                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-15 21:29                         ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-09-16  5:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-16  5:00                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-09  3:09                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-04 16:05     ` Stefan Kangas [this message]
2021-09-04  2:20   ` [External] : Re: Gitlab Migration Drew Adams
2021-09-04 13:14     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 14:58       ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 16:10         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-09-04 16:40           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-05 19:27   ` John Yates
2021-09-07  3:16     ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-07 15:31       ` Barry Fishman
2021-09-09  3:07         ` Richard Stallman
2021-09-09 14:07           ` André A. Gomes
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-08-26 16:20 Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-26 17:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-08-26 17:59   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-08-26 19:31     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 19:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-26 20:12         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-26 20:51           ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-26 21:41             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-26 21:52               ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-30 16:30                 ` João Távora
2021-08-30 16:51                   ` Drew Adams
2021-08-30 17:59                     ` João Távora
2021-08-30 19:18                   ` André A. Gomes
2021-08-27  6:21               ` tomas
2021-08-27  6:29               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27  7:25                 ` Drew Adams
2021-08-27  1:01       ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27  7:07         ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-27  7:34           ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27  8:25             ` tomas
2021-08-27  9:47               ` Tim Cross
2021-08-27 16:59                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-27 16:59               ` Drew Adams
2021-08-27 17:08                 ` tomas
2021-08-29  3:01                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-28  1:39             ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  3:21               ` Tim Cross
2021-08-28  5:02                 ` Arthur Miller
2021-08-28  7:53                   ` Tim Cross
2021-08-28 16:11                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-08-29  0:54                       ` Tim Cross
2021-08-29  3:18                         ` Drew Adams
2021-08-30  2:59                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-27  7:00   ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-27 11:30     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-27 14:33       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-08-27 21:09         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-28  6:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-08-29  2:27             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30  2:58               ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-30 12:20                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-30 12:48                   ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-30 12:55                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03  4:57                       ` Elias Mårtenson
2021-09-03  5:26                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-09-03  7:26                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03 10:26                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 11:11                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-09-03 11:31                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-09-03 11:41                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-09-04  8:02                                     ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 16:32                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-09-04 18:39                                         ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 19:14                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-09-04 19:51                                             ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-09-04 20:18                                               ` Tim Cross
2021-09-04 20:41                                                 ` Daniel Fleischer
2021-08-31  3:09                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-08-31 11:43                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-08-31 16:03                       ` João Távora
2021-08-31 18:53                         ` André A. Gomes
2021-09-04 23:45                           ` Yuchen Pei
2021-09-05  1:26                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams

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