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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 23:44:24 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1oQKq0-0007wC-Rr@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fshpgjsg.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Mon, 22 Aug 2022 09:15:59 +0800)

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  > What's wrong with C++ in GUI code?

Requiring a C++ compiler to build Emacs is a big practical
disadvantage.  Including C++ code in Emacs will be an obstacle for
people such as me to debug or write code.  That is independent of what
jobs the C++ code is used to do.

Apparently, C++ has been used in support for the Haiku system.  That's
unfortunate, but at least it is only an issue for users concerned with
the Haiku system.  Most of us have no need to debug or read that code
since we never run it.

Using it in code that runs on the GNU system would make the problem
much more serious.  No, no, no!

However, you also wrote this:

  > The GUI parts requiring C++ can be neatly separated from the rest of the
  > C code through such glue.

That might affect the issue.  Can you explain this more?

You recommended we look at haiku_support.cc to see this technique.
But that file is 4000 lines long.  I can't look through so much
hoping to recognize the part you refer to.

Could you please describe concretely the technique you refer to, or
show precisely what code in that file illustrates it?


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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-08-23  3:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 288+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-08-21 11:04 ` Abysmal state of GTK build Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:19   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-21 11:44     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:01       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-21 14:06         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:11           ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-22  1:04             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 11:39     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 15:54       ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-21 16:32         ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-21 16:46           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 16:50             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 16:58             ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-22  1:13             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  4:32               ` tomas
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:58                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  4:51                   ` tomas
2022-08-21 16:51           ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-21 17:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 17:35               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-22  1:15             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  2:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2022-08-23  4:02                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-25  4:18                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:15                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-24  3:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  8:57                     ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-24 10:43                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  6:25                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-25  6:52                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  6:57                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-25  8:28                             ` xdisp.c in C++ (Was: Abysmal state of GTK build) Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  9:04                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Abysmal state of GTK build Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:03                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:26                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-23 12:30                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:50                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-23 13:01                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-22  1:10           ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 16:51         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  1:17           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  6:47             ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  1:11         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:44         ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 12:41           ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-08-23 13:00             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:49   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 12:00     ` Visuwesh
2022-08-21 12:06     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:34       ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:38         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:46           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:59             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:11               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:16                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:17                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:20                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:28                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 18:32                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22  1:07                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-21 19:27                     ` Rob Browning
2022-08-22  3:10                       ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-22  5:43                         ` Rob Browning
2022-08-22  7:10                         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  7:56                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 16:47                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-21 15:28                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-22  5:21                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-22  6:01                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  6:48                     ` Tim Cross
2022-08-22  7:55                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  8:32                         ` Tim Cross
2022-08-22  9:44                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 23:19                             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-23  0:57                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  4:44                               ` Consistent theme across the desktop [Re: Abysmal state of GTK build] tomas
2022-08-23 11:45                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:02                                   ` tomas
2022-08-23 12:31                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:48                                       ` tomas
2022-08-23 13:22                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 14:10                                           ` tomas
2022-08-23 15:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:38                                           ` Yuri Khan
2022-08-23 16:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24  4:23                                               ` tomas
2022-08-24 11:02                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:31                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:24                                       ` tomas
2022-08-22  9:04                         ` Abysmal state of GTK build Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-08-22 12:10                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-22 12:59                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:42                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  2:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  3:04                                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 17:52                                     ` Yilkal Argaw
2022-08-23 18:45                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24  1:50                                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-22 13:03                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:08                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-23  0:45                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 10:30                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22 13:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:46                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 15:10                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-23  6:34                             ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-08-23  8:58                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:04                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:27                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:30     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 13:41         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:46           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 13:47         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 14:01             ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  7:38             ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  8:54               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  9:27                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  9:39               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 14:07                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 14:43                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 15:29                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:14                       ` Alternative build systems (Was: Abysmal state of GTK build) Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:36                         ` Alternative build systems Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:55                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 23:38                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  1:48                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:35                       ` Abysmal state of GTK build Andrea Corallo
2022-08-24 12:57                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24 13:00                         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-24 13:42                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 16:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:10                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 16:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 10:11                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:30                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:16                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 12:19                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:23                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-25 12:03                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:35                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25 12:07                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-25 12:19                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:13                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:16                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24  6:38                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 11:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:51                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 12:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:04                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 12:19                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:22                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 17:10                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 10:14                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 10:46                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 10:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:15                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:17                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:13                                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:20                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:36                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:33                       ` Changing the make setup for Emacs Richard Stallman
2022-08-25 22:42                         ` change the Subject line (was: Changing the make setup for Emacs) andrés ramírez
2022-08-21 13:36       ` Abysmal state of GTK build Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:43         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:51           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:04             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:13               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:18                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 15:02                   ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-22  1:18                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 10:04                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 11:46                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 11:56                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 12:14                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:21                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 13:13                                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:19                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23  0:50                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:19                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:17                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 17:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:47                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  2:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  3:05                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24  3:52                                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:51                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-23  5:14                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:51                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:34                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:45                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  3:32                                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:53                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-21 14:05       ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-21 14:08         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:15           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:17             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:27               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22  1:09                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  2:32             ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2022-08-24  2:47               ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-21 14:06       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-23  3:44       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:57         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52           ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:20             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  4:34               ` tomas
2022-08-26  3:36               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:25             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:37               ` tomas
2022-08-24  7:52                 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:58               ` Po Lu
2022-08-26  3:36               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-26  5:26                 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-28  4:06                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-28  4:14                     ` Po Lu
2022-09-04  3:01                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-28  7:45                     ` Tim Cross
2022-08-21 14:47     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-21 14:58       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22  7:05     ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  7:51       ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:46       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 15:08         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-25 16:01         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-08-26  1:29           ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  7:00 Payas Relekar
2022-08-23  7:17 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  7:21   ` Payas Relekar
2022-08-23  8:53     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 13:08       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24  1:16         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  1:34           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-23 12:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:29     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:59         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 15:13           ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 15:18             ` Visuwesh
2022-08-23 16:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:41               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 23:25                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  1:45                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:02                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  3:41                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 23:25             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:25               ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  1:36             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  2:31               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  3:23                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:18     ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  8:52       ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-26  3:36       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-26  4:34         ` Po Lu
2022-09-04  3:01           ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-04  5:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-05  8:34               ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-05 14:12                 ` Po Lu
2022-09-07 13:03                 ` Daniel Brooks
2022-08-24  3:52 ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-08-23 13:53 Payas Relekar
2022-08-24  1:15 ` Po Lu
2022-09-04  4:08 Payas Relekar
2022-09-05  4:03 ` Richard Stallman

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