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From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Abysmal state of GTK build
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 13:14:11 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y1vf8rto.fsf@yahoo.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YwROwx9uQwNg6mLO@protected.localdomain> (Jean Louis's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2022 06:51:31 +0300")

Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support> writes:

> Here is C++ toolkit that is fast and slick for consideration.
>
> FLTK - Wikipedia
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FLTK

Just because we can use C++ in optional GUI code doesn't mean it
shouldn't be avoided if it can.

But after some investigation, I've come to the conclusion that no
toolkit will be able to replace the hand-crafted Emacs X11 support,
especially in very tricky areas such as drag-and-drop and selections.

For example, Qt doesn't respect kDNDStatusSendHereFlag in XDND
drag-and-drop messages, fails to wait for XdndStatus before sending
XdndPosition/XdndDrop, and provides no method for programs to set it on
their drop targets.  It also doesn't support the X Direct Save protocol,
which can't be implemented on top, since the special action required for
it is abstracted away and not available to programs using Emacs, or the
the Motif and OffiX drag-and-drop protocols.  All of that is tolerated
by other programs but will lead to problems over slow network
connections.

And it probably won't be possible to step through a selection converter
with Edebug, or to install our own selection converter when Qt
misencodes COMPOUND_TEXT.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-23  5:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 288+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-08-21 11:04 ` Abysmal state of GTK build Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:19   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-21 11:44     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:01       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-21 14:06         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:11           ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-22  1:04             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 11:39     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 15:54       ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-21 16:32         ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-21 16:46           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 16:50             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 16:58             ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-22  1:13             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  4:32               ` tomas
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:58                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  4:51                   ` tomas
2022-08-21 16:51           ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-21 17:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 17:35               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-22  1:15             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  2:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:02                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-25  4:18                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:15                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-24  3:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  8:57                     ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-24 10:43                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  6:25                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-25  6:52                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  6:57                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-25  8:28                             ` xdisp.c in C++ (Was: Abysmal state of GTK build) Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  9:04                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Abysmal state of GTK build Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:03                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:26                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-23 12:30                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:50                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-23 13:01                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-22  1:10           ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 16:51         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  1:17           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  6:47             ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  1:11         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:44         ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 12:41           ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-08-23 13:00             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:49   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 12:00     ` Visuwesh
2022-08-21 12:06     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:34       ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:38         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:46           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:59             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:11               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:16                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:17                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:20                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:28                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 18:32                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22  1:07                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-21 19:27                     ` Rob Browning
2022-08-22  3:10                       ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-22  5:43                         ` Rob Browning
2022-08-22  7:10                         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  7:56                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 16:47                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-21 15:28                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-22  5:21                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-22  6:01                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  6:48                     ` Tim Cross
2022-08-22  7:55                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  8:32                         ` Tim Cross
2022-08-22  9:44                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 23:19                             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-23  0:57                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  4:44                               ` Consistent theme across the desktop [Re: Abysmal state of GTK build] tomas
2022-08-23 11:45                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:02                                   ` tomas
2022-08-23 12:31                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:48                                       ` tomas
2022-08-23 13:22                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 14:10                                           ` tomas
2022-08-23 15:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:38                                           ` Yuri Khan
2022-08-23 16:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24  4:23                                               ` tomas
2022-08-24 11:02                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:31                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:24                                       ` tomas
2022-08-22  9:04                         ` Abysmal state of GTK build Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-08-22 12:10                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-22 12:59                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:42                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  2:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  3:04                                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 17:52                                     ` Yilkal Argaw
2022-08-23 18:45                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24  1:50                                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-22 13:03                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:08                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-23  0:45                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 10:30                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22 13:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:46                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 15:10                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-23  6:34                             ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-08-23  8:58                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:04                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:27                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:30     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 13:41         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:46           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 13:47         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 14:01             ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  7:38             ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  8:54               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  9:27                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  9:39               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 14:07                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 14:43                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 15:29                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:14                       ` Alternative build systems (Was: Abysmal state of GTK build) Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:36                         ` Alternative build systems Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:55                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 23:38                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  1:48                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:35                       ` Abysmal state of GTK build Andrea Corallo
2022-08-24 12:57                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24 13:00                         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-24 13:42                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 16:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:10                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 16:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 10:11                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:30                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:16                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 12:19                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:23                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-25 12:03                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:35                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25 12:07                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-25 12:19                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:13                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:16                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24  6:38                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 11:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:51                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 12:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:04                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 12:19                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:22                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 17:10                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 10:14                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 10:46                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 10:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:15                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:17                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:13                                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:20                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:36                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:33                       ` Changing the make setup for Emacs Richard Stallman
2022-08-25 22:42                         ` change the Subject line (was: Changing the make setup for Emacs) andrés ramírez
2022-08-21 13:36       ` Abysmal state of GTK build Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:43         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:51           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:04             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:13               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:18                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 15:02                   ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-22  1:18                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 10:04                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 11:46                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 11:56                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 12:14                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:21                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 13:13                                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:19                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23  0:50                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:19                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:17                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 17:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:47                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  2:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  3:05                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24  3:52                                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:51                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-23  5:14                                     ` Po Lu [this message]
2022-08-23 11:51                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:34                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:45                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  3:32                                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:53                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-21 14:05       ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-21 14:08         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:15           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:17             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:27               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22  1:09                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  2:32             ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2022-08-24  2:47               ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-21 14:06       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-23  3:44       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:57         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52           ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:20             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  4:34               ` tomas
2022-08-26  3:36               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:25             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:37               ` tomas
2022-08-24  7:52                 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:58               ` Po Lu
2022-08-26  3:36               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-26  5:26                 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-28  4:06                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-28  4:14                     ` Po Lu
2022-09-04  3:01                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-28  7:45                     ` Tim Cross
2022-08-21 14:47     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-21 14:58       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22  7:05     ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  7:51       ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:46       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 15:08         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-25 16:01         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-08-26  1:29           ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  7:00 Payas Relekar
2022-08-23  7:17 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  7:21   ` Payas Relekar
2022-08-23  8:53     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 13:08       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24  1:16         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  1:34           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-23 12:05   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:29     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:41       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:59         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 15:13           ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 15:18             ` Visuwesh
2022-08-23 16:09             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:41               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:59                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 23:25                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  1:45                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:02                       ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  3:41                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 23:25             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:25               ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  1:36             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  2:31               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  3:23                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:18     ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  8:52       ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-26  3:36       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-26  4:34         ` Po Lu
2022-09-04  3:01           ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-04  5:14             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-05  4:03               ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-05  8:34               ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-05 14:12                 ` Po Lu
2022-09-07 13:03                 ` Daniel Brooks
2022-08-24  3:52 ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-08-23 13:53 Payas Relekar
2022-08-24  1:15 ` Po Lu
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