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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Consistent theme across the desktop [Re: Abysmal state of GTK build]
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 14:45:24 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83tu6389pn.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YwRbQiJ0ZeHcTqpi@tuxteam.de> (tomas@tuxteam.de)

> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 06:44:50 +0200
> From: <tomas@tuxteam.de>
> 
> One strong evidence is application-side decorations. Yes, the toolkit
> is supposed to take care of that. But the temptation for application
> developers is enormous to "know better" here and there.

I indeed question the optimistic belief that system-wide conventions
are always better.  They might be in some basic stuff, like the outer
decorations of the GUI windows, but other than that...

> Currently I have the "pleasure" of working with Windows for a first
> time in a long while, and the situation is dire.
> 
> Some applications (typically "old" ones, like the terminal) need a
> click to get focus, that first click doesn't do anything else.

Jist FYI: that's configurable, if you want to change it (I don't).

> Other
> applications do something on the first click right away (the browser
> selects the URL if you happen to click on the right place; some browser
> "apps" do even much more -- one chat app I "have to use" puts you in
> some answer mode).

The solution, of course, is to always click only on the window
decorations, not inside the client area.  Then all the applications
will behave the same, because it isn't the app, it's the window
manager's behavior.

Alternatively, configure Windows to auto-focus a window when the mouse
pointer is over it for some predefined minimum time.  That's what I
do, and I never needed to look back.  (You can also auto-raise the
window at that time, but I don't: the whole point is to be able to
type into a window that is not on top.)



  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-23 11:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 247+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2022-08-21 11:04 ` Abysmal state of GTK build Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:19   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-21 11:44     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:01       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-21 14:06         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:11           ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-22  1:04             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:22   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 11:39     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 15:54       ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-21 16:32         ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-21 16:46           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 16:50             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 16:58             ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-22  1:13             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  4:32               ` tomas
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:58                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  4:51                   ` tomas
2022-08-21 16:51           ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-21 17:08             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 17:35               ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-22  1:15             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  2:06               ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:02                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:32                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-25  4:18                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:15                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-24  3:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  8:57                     ` Robert Pluim
2022-08-24 10:43                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  6:25                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-25  6:52                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  6:57                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-25  8:28                             ` xdisp.c in C++ (Was: Abysmal state of GTK build) Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  9:04                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  3:44               ` Abysmal state of GTK build Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:03                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:26                   ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-23 12:30                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:50                       ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-23 13:01                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-22  1:10           ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 16:51         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  1:17           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  6:47             ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  1:11         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:44         ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 12:41           ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-08-23 13:00             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 11:49   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 12:00     ` Visuwesh
2022-08-21 12:06     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:34       ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:38         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:46           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:59             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:11               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:16                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:17                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:20                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:28                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 18:32                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22  1:07                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:29                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-21 19:27                     ` Rob Browning
2022-08-22  3:10                       ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-22  5:43                         ` Rob Browning
2022-08-22  7:10                         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  7:56                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 16:47                   ` Sean Whitton
2022-08-21 15:28                 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-22  5:21                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-22  6:01                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  6:48                     ` Tim Cross
2022-08-22  7:55                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-22  8:32                         ` Tim Cross
2022-08-22  9:44                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 23:19                             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-23  0:57                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  4:44                               ` Consistent theme across the desktop [Re: Abysmal state of GTK build] tomas
2022-08-23 11:45                                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-08-23 12:02                                   ` tomas
2022-08-23 12:31                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:48                                       ` tomas
2022-08-23 13:22                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 14:10                                           ` tomas
2022-08-23 15:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:38                                           ` Yuri Khan
2022-08-23 16:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24  4:23                                               ` tomas
2022-08-24 11:02                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:31                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                                     ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:24                                       ` tomas
2022-08-22  9:04                         ` Abysmal state of GTK build Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-08-22 12:10                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:35                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-22 12:59                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:08                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:42                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  2:36                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  3:04                                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 17:52                                     ` Yilkal Argaw
2022-08-23 18:45                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24  1:50                                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:40                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-22 13:03                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:08                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-23  0:45                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 10:30                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22 13:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:46                                   ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 15:10                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-23  6:34                             ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-08-23  8:58                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:46                         ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  4:04                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52                             ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:27                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:30     ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 13:41         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:46           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 13:47         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-21 14:01             ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  7:38             ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  8:54               ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  9:27                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23  9:39               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 14:07                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 14:43                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 15:29                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:14                       ` Alternative build systems (Was: Abysmal state of GTK build) Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:36                         ` Alternative build systems Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-23 16:55                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 23:38                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24  1:48                               ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:35                       ` Abysmal state of GTK build Andrea Corallo
2022-08-24 12:57                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-24 13:00                         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-24 13:42                           ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 16:06                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 16:10                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23 16:24                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 10:11                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:18                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:30                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:47                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:16                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 12:19                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:23                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-25 12:03                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:35                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25 12:07                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-25 12:19                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:13                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:16                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24  6:38                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 11:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 11:51                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 12:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:04                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-24 12:19                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24 12:22                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-08-23 17:10                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-24 10:14                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 10:46                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 10:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 11:15                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:17                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:13                                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 12:20                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:36                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:33                       ` Changing the make setup for Emacs Richard Stallman
2022-08-25 22:42                         ` change the Subject line (was: Changing the make setup for Emacs) andrés ramírez
2022-08-21 13:36       ` Abysmal state of GTK build Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 13:43         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 13:51           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:04             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:13               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:18                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 15:02                   ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-22  1:18                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 10:04                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 11:46                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 11:56                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 12:14                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 12:21                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22 13:13                                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 13:19                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-23  0:50                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-24 11:19                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-24 12:17                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-22 17:33                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  0:47                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  2:38                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23  3:05                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:22                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-24  3:52                                           ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:51                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-23  5:14                                     ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 11:51                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-23 12:34                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-23 12:45                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-25  3:32                                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:53                                   ` Jean Louis
2022-08-21 14:05       ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-21 14:08         ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:15           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-21 14:17             ` Po Lu
2022-08-21 14:27               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22  1:09                 ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  2:32             ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2022-08-24  2:47               ` Po Lu
2022-08-25  3:33                 ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-21 14:06       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-23  3:44       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23  3:57         ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  3:52           ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:20             ` Po Lu
2022-08-24  4:34               ` tomas
2022-08-26  3:36               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-24  4:25             ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:37               ` tomas
2022-08-24  7:52                 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-24  4:58               ` Po Lu
2022-08-26  3:36               ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-26  5:26                 ` Tim Cross
2022-08-28  4:06                   ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-28  4:14                     ` Po Lu
2022-09-04  3:01                       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-28  7:45                     ` Tim Cross
2022-08-21 14:47     ` Stefan Kangas
2022-08-21 14:58       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-22  7:05     ` Visuwesh
2022-08-22  7:51       ` Po Lu
2022-08-23  3:46       ` Richard Stallman
2022-08-23 15:08         ` Visuwesh
2022-08-25 16:01         ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-08-26  1:29           ` Po Lu

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