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From: Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: New ELPA policy proposal (was: ELPA policy)
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2015 12:15:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87611bh19q.fsf_-_@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56401834.8080402@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Mon, 9 Nov 2015 05:51:16 +0200")


Hi all,

In the previous thread, a few concerns were posted:

1. Having ELPA separate from Emacs requires internet access to install
extra packages, which might be undesirable.

2. Merging all ELPA commits into Emacs might be too noisy.

3. Waiting for new core features until Emacs release, as opposed to
obtaining them immediately from ELPA.

Here's my proposal to address these issues:

1. Only packages which are relatively independent are allowed to be
moved to ELPA. This is a rule that we adhere to right now, I just wanted
to re-state it. And it's important for the next point.

2. Each package is developed it its own Git repository, and is included
into the common ELPA directory as a Git submodule.  No actual code is
ever committed into the Emacs git repository, only the commit hashes,
when an ELPA package maintainer deems it appropriate to merge, e.g. the
package is assumed to work fine with the current Emacs git version, at
the moment of the merge. Then there will also be some script, like

    $ make elpa

that will update all packages with "git submodule update".  In my
opinion, this is very close the model of MELPA - a very successful Emacs
package archive with 2786 packages to GELPA's 130. The only difference
here is that the updates aren't automatic, and are instead up to the
maintainer, which should give more stability.

3. On Emacs release, we'll have emacs.tar (for people with low
bandwidth) and emacs-with-elpa.tar (the recommended download). The user
will have several options to configure the Emacs installation:

    a. Only core Emacs.

    b. Core Emacs with a separate offline ELPA repository. The user will
    be able to install from this offline ELPA repository at any time.
    This should be a nice default option, I think.

    c. Emacs with all ELPA packages installed, because why not?

4. Thanks to the version system, it will be possible to update these
"offline" ELPA packages with the current online version, just like it's
currently possible to have the GELPA version of a package to update to
the MELPA version. Additionally, with the feature of pinning a package
to an archive, we give the user the flexibility to pin ELPA packages to
the offline ELPA repository, instead of having them update automatically
from GNU ELPA.

regards,
Oleh



  reply	other threads:[~2015-11-09 11:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 209+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-04 12:39 streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything! Nicolas Petton
2015-11-04 15:50 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-04 16:59   ` Damien Cassou
2015-11-04 18:06   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 19:17     ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 21:58     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-04 23:20       ` T.V Raman
2015-11-04 23:31         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05  0:27         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-05  0:38           ` T.V Raman
2015-11-05  0:48             ` ELPA policy (Was: streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything!) John Wiegley
2015-11-05  0:52               ` T.V Raman
2015-11-08 17:18               ` ELPA policy Achim Gratz
2015-11-08 17:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-08 20:52                   ` Aaron Ecay
2015-11-09  3:42                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09  3:51                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 11:15                         ` Oleh Krehel [this message]
2015-11-09 13:51                           ` New ELPA policy proposal (was: ELPA policy) Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 15:02                             ` New ELPA policy proposal Oleh Krehel
2015-11-09 16:22                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 15:41                             ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-09 15:50                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:13                                 ` Wolfgang Jenkner
2015-11-09 21:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 16:25                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 16:11                           ` New ELPA policy proposal (was: ELPA policy) Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10  7:26                             ` New ELPA policy proposal Oleh Krehel
2015-11-10 14:24                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 16:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:05                         ` ELPA policy Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:15                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:20                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 16:26                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:44                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 17:46                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-09 16:35                               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-09 19:52                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-09 20:17                                 ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 21:38                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:07                                     ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 21:51                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 22:06                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-09 23:05                                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-10 18:18                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 15:11                                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11 17:03                                           ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-09 23:47                                     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:44                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:42                                 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-09 23:52                                 ` Aaron Ecay
2015-11-10  0:04                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:06                                 ` Stephen Leake
     [not found]                                   ` <"<87lha5snji.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                     ` <"<87d1vhsmuj.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                       ` <"<878u65slue.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
     [not found]                                         ` <"<874mgtsjwn.fsf"@isaac.fritz.box>
2015-11-10 18:28                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:32                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:35                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:44                                         ` David Engster
2015-11-10 18:49                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:00                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11 15:15                                             ` xref and GNU Global (Re: ELPA policy) Nicolas Petton
2015-11-11 15:22                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-11 23:19                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 23:32                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-12  7:07                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 23:12                                               ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 23:52                                                 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-12  7:05                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 19:15                                         ` ELPA policy Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 22:44                                           ` xref CEDET (was ELPA policy) Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 21:52                                         ` ELPA policy Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:37                                       ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:57                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:01                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 20:19                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 20:34                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 21:16                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 21:27                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 22:40                                               ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 20:45                                           ` David Engster
2015-11-10 21:07                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 18:43                                     ` David Engster
2015-11-10 18:52                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 18:58                                         ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:03                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:20                                             ` David Engster
2015-11-10 19:43                                               ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:02                                                 ` David Engster
2015-11-10 20:24                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:08                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:31                                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  0:32                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11  0:36                                                           ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11  9:25                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 13:52                                                               ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-11 21:22                                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 13:24                                                                   ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-12 17:11                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 19:17                                                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-12 19:31                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-14 10:16                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 19:52                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-13 13:06                                                                       ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-14 10:30                                                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-17 13:01                                                                           ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-17 16:18                                                                             ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-17 15:51                                                                           ` Tom Tromey
2015-11-11 17:02                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-11 17:24                                                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 14:02                                                                   ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-12 17:11                                                                     ` John Wiegley
2015-11-12 19:59                                                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-13 21:58                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-14  1:15                                                                       ` JJ Asghar
2015-11-14 17:23                                                               ` Jorge A. Alfaro-Murillo
2015-11-15 16:37                                                                 ` John Wiegley
     [not found]                                                             ` <<86bnb06g7g.fsf@stephe-leake.org>
     [not found]                                                               ` <<E1ZwYnH-0004b0-Gu@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-11 17:47                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11 19:23                                                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-11 19:58                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11 23:27                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-12  0:35                                                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12  0:42                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-12 22:34                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-13  0:49                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-12  6:49                                                                       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-12 15:09                                                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-12 17:29                                                                           ` Alex Schröder
2015-11-12 22:33                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-14 10:33                                                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-14 21:05                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                       ` <<86oaezemp9.fsf@stephe-leake.org>
     [not found]                                                                         ` <<E1Zx0QR-0004QE-Ga@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-12 23:05                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2015-11-13  7:51                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-13 22:00                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
     [not found]                                                                             ` <<E1ZxMOr-0004hb-VH@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-13 23:03                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2015-11-14  1:44                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-15  9:28                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-15 15:44                                                                                     ` Drew Adams
2015-11-17 22:55                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2015-11-17 23:17                                                                                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-18  9:53                                                                                           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-18 10:12                                                                                             ` David Kastrup
2015-11-14  9:57                                                                                 ` Achim Gratz
     [not found]                                                                   ` <<m2twosgx1m.fsf@Vulcan.attlocal.net>
     [not found]                                                                     ` <<E1Zwent-0000bG-9i@fencepost.gnu.org>
2015-11-12  0:22                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2015-11-10 23:01                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:53                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 19:17                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 23:10                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:52                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 18:49                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 18:54                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 19:21                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 19:26                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-10 19:29                                             ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 20:06                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 23:25                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 23:23                                         ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 20:03                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-10 23:16                                       ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:36                                     ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-10 22:54                                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-10 23:01                                         ` Drew Adams
2015-11-11  9:13                                           ` Stephen Leake
2015-11-11 14:58                                             ` Drew Adams
2015-11-09 18:22                       ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-09 18:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 18:58                           ` David Engster
2015-11-09 19:08                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 19:35                               ` David Engster
2015-11-09 20:12                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-09 19:53                           ` Rasmus
2015-11-09 19:58                           ` Achim Gratz
2015-11-05 17:06           ` streams and generators (was: streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything!) Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05 22:36             ` streams and generators Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-04 23:34       ` streams are cool, you could stream virtually anything! Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05  9:27         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 11:26           ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 11:52             ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 16:31               ` raman
2015-11-05 16:48                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05 21:58                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 23:05                     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 23:34                       ` T.V Raman
2015-11-06  0:02                         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-06  0:39                           ` T.V Raman
2015-11-05 23:52                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-06  2:19                         ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06  2:47                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-06 15:09                             ` Filipp Gunbin
2015-11-06 10:49                           ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 13:09                             ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-06 13:43                               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 15:41                                 ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 16:13                                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 17:36                                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 10:47                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06  2:08                   ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 15:33                     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-06 16:08                       ` John Wiegley
2015-11-06 17:12                         ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 23:06               ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-05 14:12             ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 17:00 ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-04 22:00   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 12:28     ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-05 13:45       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-05 15:15         ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-05 16:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-11-06  9:54         ` Phillip Lord
2015-11-04 17:57 ` Michael Heerdegen
2015-11-04 22:00   ` Nicolas Petton
     [not found] <<87ziyuaqhl.fsf@petton.fr>

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