From: "Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2020 23:54:57 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87y2qhnc9a.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200426172206.GC18629@ACM> (Alan Mackenzie's message of "Sun, 26 Apr 2020 17:22:06 +0000")
Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> writes:
> org-mode is a sledgehammer and the six outline-mode files are mere nuts.
> The org-mode source files are 100 times as big as outline.el.
>
> You do not have to "know" outline-mode to use it. I certainly don't.
> It is merely text-mode adorned with a few non-essential commands for
> navigating via the outlines. Anybody who can use Emacs at all can use
> outline-mode.
>
> By contrast, org-mode is a monster. The learning time for org-mode must
> be non-trivial.
OTOH,
- I don't think I will ever manage to remember any of the keybindings
for the outline-(show|hide)-… functions, which means I will never be
able to use the "selective display" feature advertised in
outline-mode's docstring without a cheatsheet.
- With org-mode, I can simply TAB my way through a document without
figuring out whether what I want to show/hide are entries, subtrees,
children, branches, leaves, sublevels, bodies…
So, while I agree that org-mode is a sledgehammer for e.g. idly browsing
NEWS, from a user's point-of-view (at least this user) and to borrow
your terms, outline-mode "is a monster" with countless esoteric
keybindings; meanwhile, I definitely don't "have to know" org-mode to
use it; I just mindlessly hit TAB on the thing I want to show/hide.
As I said in the bug report, to me this looks like a good opportunity to
provide a friendlier section-cycling command for outline-mode; it
boggles my mind that outline-toggle-children isn't bound by default.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-04-26 21:54 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-26 15:43 Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 16:13 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-26 18:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26 19:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 20:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26 22:53 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-26 16:16 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-04-26 17:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-26 19:29 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 21:54 ` Kévin Le Gouguec [this message]
2020-04-26 22:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26 22:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-27 7:20 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-27 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-27 15:31 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-27 7:39 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-27 14:27 ` Reveal-mode (was: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode) Stefan Monnier
2020-04-27 10:23 ` Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-27 11:45 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-27 20:30 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-27 21:24 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-27 23:05 ` John Yates
2020-04-28 2:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 6:23 ` Bastien
2020-04-28 15:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-28 16:41 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-04-28 17:56 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-28 19:22 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-04-28 23:35 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-29 10:53 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-29 11:37 ` Reconciling org-mode idiosyncrasies with Emacs core (was: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-29 12:30 ` Reconciling org-mode idiosyncrasies with Emacs core Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-04 10:45 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 14:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-04 16:14 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-06 14:54 ` [PATCH] Make RET and C-j obey `electric-indent-mode' in org-mode (was: Reconciling org-mode idiosyncrasies with Emacs core) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 10:48 ` [PATCH] Make RET and C-j obey `electric-indent-mode' in org-mode Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-07 12:03 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 12:21 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-07 16:45 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 16:50 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 19:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-24 6:25 ` Bastien
2020-05-07 13:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 15:33 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-24 6:23 ` Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Bastien
2020-05-24 6:18 ` Bastien
2020-04-27 12:14 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-24 6:13 ` Bastien
2020-04-26 18:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-24 6:15 ` Bastien
2020-04-27 2:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27 6:37 ` Michael Albinus
2020-04-27 7:12 ` tomas
2020-04-28 2:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-28 9:40 ` Michael Albinus
2020-04-29 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 6:16 ` Bastien
2020-04-27 9:59 ` Po Lu
2020-04-27 14:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-27 14:49 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-29 3:27 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-29 3:52 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-29 13:54 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-29 14:08 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-29 14:17 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-29 14:52 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-29 14:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-30 10:25 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-07 21:01 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-08 17:50 ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-08 17:55 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-24 6:35 ` Bastien
2020-04-29 17:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-29 19:19 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-30 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 6:04 ` Bastien
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