From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr>
Cc: "Alan Mackenzie" <acm@muc.de>,
"Emacs developers" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
"Stefan Kangas" <stefan@marxist.se>,
"Kévin Le Gouguec" <kevin.legouguec@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 02:35:05 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87o8rbmbfa.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87blnbir01.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> (Nicolas Goaziou's message of "Tue, 28 Apr 2020 17:12:14 +0200")
>>> (Frustratingly, org-mode uses what I think of as the "old" convention
>>> to use RET as "plain newline" and C-j as "smart newline with indent".)
>>
>> There are many things that are frustrating in org-mode.
>> Many Emacs features are disabled in org-mode, and
>> standard keys are redefined to behave in own way.
>>
>> What is worse, often org-mode takes freedom from users for no reason.
>> I mean such artificial restrictions as for example preventing users
>> from customizing positions of Org popup windows:
>>
>> (defmacro org-no-popups (&rest body)
>> "Suppress popup windows and evaluate BODY."
>> `(let (pop-up-frames display-buffer-alist)
>> ,@body))
>>
>> that ignores user customization in display-buffer-alist.
>
> As a side note, I'm positively sure Org developers would love help, or
> better, code, to re-enable disabled Emacs features, and to give back
> freedom to their users.
>
> I think most of these issues are historic artifacts no one dared, or
> took time, to reconsider.
Nice to hear. Maybe it would be possible to group all specific
keybindings (that override the default Emacs commands) into a mode
enabled by default, but that could be easily disabled, resetting them
to their original definitions.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-04-28 23:35 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 77+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-04-26 15:43 Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 16:13 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-26 18:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26 19:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 20:54 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26 22:53 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2020-04-26 16:16 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-04-26 17:22 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-26 19:29 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-26 21:54 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-26 22:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-26 22:41 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-27 7:20 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-27 15:23 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-27 15:31 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-27 7:39 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-27 14:27 ` Reveal-mode (was: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode) Stefan Monnier
2020-04-27 10:23 ` Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-27 11:45 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-27 20:30 ` Juri Linkov
2020-04-27 21:24 ` Drew Adams
2020-04-27 23:05 ` John Yates
2020-04-28 2:51 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 6:23 ` Bastien
2020-04-28 15:12 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-28 16:41 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-04-28 17:56 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-28 19:22 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-04-28 23:35 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2020-04-29 10:53 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-29 11:37 ` Reconciling org-mode idiosyncrasies with Emacs core (was: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-04-29 12:30 ` Reconciling org-mode idiosyncrasies with Emacs core Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-04 10:45 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-04 14:50 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-04 16:14 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-06 14:54 ` [PATCH] Make RET and C-j obey `electric-indent-mode' in org-mode (was: Reconciling org-mode idiosyncrasies with Emacs core) Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 10:48 ` [PATCH] Make RET and C-j obey `electric-indent-mode' in org-mode Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-07 12:03 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 12:21 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-07 16:45 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 16:50 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-07 19:38 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-05-24 6:25 ` Bastien
2020-05-07 13:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-07 15:33 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-05-24 6:23 ` Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode Bastien
2020-05-24 6:18 ` Bastien
2020-04-27 12:14 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-24 6:13 ` Bastien
2020-04-26 18:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-05-24 6:15 ` Bastien
2020-04-27 2:23 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-27 6:37 ` Michael Albinus
2020-04-27 7:12 ` tomas
2020-04-28 2:49 ` Richard Stallman
2020-04-28 9:40 ` Michael Albinus
2020-04-29 3:30 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 6:16 ` Bastien
2020-04-27 9:59 ` Po Lu
2020-04-27 14:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-04-27 14:49 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-29 3:27 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-29 3:52 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-29 13:54 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-29 14:08 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2020-04-29 14:17 ` Nicolas Goaziou
2020-04-29 14:52 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-29 14:03 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-04-30 10:25 ` H. Dieter Wilhelm
2020-05-07 21:01 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-08 17:50 ` Yuri Khan
2020-05-08 17:55 ` Stefan Kangas
2020-05-24 6:35 ` Bastien
2020-04-29 17:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2020-04-29 19:19 ` Howard Melman
2020-04-30 2:24 ` Richard Stallman
2020-05-24 6:04 ` Bastien
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