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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less
Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 00:14:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87blh8fm11.fsf@gnus.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83mu0s50if.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:56:56 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> display-time-mode shows AM and PM, though.

I don't think the shift in pixels twice a day will annoy anyone.  :-)

>> I've now used this for hours :-), and the only thing I've noticed
>> being even remotely odd is the U:** switching to U:--, which takes
>> much less space and draws the eye.
>
> Using :align-to is simple, and could even simplify the mode-line
> construction: instead of carefully counting spaces, you will need just
> one space with a suitable :align-to.  So I'm not really sure why this
> needs an argument.

I just didn't want to add any premature complexity here if none is
needed.

But...  Now that you mention it, I don't quite see how to use :align-to
in the mode line (in general).  It takes as a parameter the target
column number (or pixels), so if we want to say "this element should be
at least 80 pixels wide", then we need to know what column/pixel we're
on already, don't we?  Or am I missing something obvious here?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



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Thread overview: 295+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-26 13:38 How to make Emacs popular again James Lu
2020-09-26 13:47 ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-09-26 13:50   ` James Lu
2020-09-26 13:59 ` Philip K.
2020-09-26 14:53   ` Ergus
2020-09-26 16:59     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-26 18:26     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-27  2:41       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-27 13:16         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-28  3:45           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28 23:29             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-28 23:51               ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-09-30  4:37                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-30  5:26                   ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-10-02  3:45                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02  4:43                       ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-09-30 10:03                   ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01  4:14                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-01  7:41                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-01  8:11                       ` Philip K.
2020-10-02  3:52                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 16:02                           ` dict - " Jean Louis
2020-10-03  2:56                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-03  7:47                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-10  3:53                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-03  9:00                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-10  3:53                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-01 14:21                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01  4:14                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-01 14:22                       ` Jean Louis
2020-09-30 13:59                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01  4:13                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-01 13:07                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:39                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 14:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 15:11                           ` tomas
2020-10-01 16:15                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 16:30                               ` tomas
2020-10-02  3:53                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-01 14:46                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-10-01 16:21                           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-02  3:52                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02  7:08                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-02 10:11                               ` Sv: " arthur miller
2020-10-02 16:13                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-02 16:18                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-02 16:33                                   ` Jean Louis
2020-10-03  7:26                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04  3:45                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04  7:31                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-10  3:53                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-10  7:24                                           ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-10  7:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-10 12:22                                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2020-10-04  8:56                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-04  3:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02 16:07                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-03  2:56                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-03  8:28                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 14:52                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-02  3:52                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02  3:52                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02  7:07                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04  3:38                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04  6:57                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04  9:02                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-04  9:06                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  3:14                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-05  5:54                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-06  2:34                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04  8:25                               ` Dictionaries better be offline - " Jean Louis
2020-10-04  3:38                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-04  7:03                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04 10:07                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-04 10:52                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04 13:54                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-04 14:05                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  3:12                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-10  3:53                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-11  5:37                                   ` How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-11  6:28                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-11  6:35                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-11  7:00                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-11 10:54                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-11 11:28                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-11 13:58                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-11 22:21                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-12 16:49                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13  0:38                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-13 14:40                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14  4:03                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-14 14:54                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 17:07                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-14 17:39                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14 22:53                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15 13:57                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 14:21                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15 14:28                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 14:48                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15 14:52                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-15 15:00                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 16:25                                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15 16:50                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 18:31                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15 18:49                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15  6:51                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-15 12:26                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-15  6:48                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-15 14:02                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-15 14:07                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-15 14:24                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-16  5:06                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-11 13:56                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-11 22:14                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen [this message]
2020-10-11 23:39                                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-12 16:46                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-13  0:35                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-13 14:39                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14  4:01                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-14 14:49                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-11 13:21                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-11 14:02                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-11 14:35                                     ` Teemu Likonen
2020-10-11 15:21                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2020-10-11 18:29                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-11 18:58                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2020-10-11 19:41                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-11 19:42                                         ` Drew Adams
2020-10-11 19:56                                         ` Stephen Berman
2020-10-11 21:09                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-11 22:23                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-11 22:50                                             ` Stephen Berman
2020-12-02 21:06                                             ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-02 22:33                                               ` Stephen Berman
2020-12-03 21:05                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-12-03 21:06                                                 ` Roland Winkler
2020-12-03 14:48                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-12  9:47                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2020-10-12 11:17                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-10-12 17:24                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-12 11:24                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-10-12 16:30                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-10-12 23:02                                         ` Tim Cross
2020-10-13  0:34                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-13  6:02                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-10-13 20:00                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-13 20:36                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-10-14  4:05                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-14  7:06                                         ` Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-10-14  7:09                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-14  7:46                                             ` Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-10-14  7:53                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-14  8:30                                                 ` James Cloos
2020-10-14  9:14                                                   ` tomas
2020-10-14 15:03                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-14  8:03                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-10-14 16:38                                           ` Drew Adams
2020-10-15  6:45                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-10-14 13:21                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-12  2:19                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-12  7:58                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-12 13:23                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-12 13:39                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-12 15:27                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-12 16:40                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-12 17:29                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-12 17:51                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-13  7:34                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19  3:13                                     ` Robert Weiner
2021-04-19  7:12                                       ` tomas
2021-04-19  7:55                                       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-04-19 12:31                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 12:48                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04  8:27                               ` How to make Emacs popular again Jean Louis
2020-10-01 14:08                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 15:01                       ` James Lu
2020-10-01 15:03                         ` James Lu
2020-10-01 16:13                           ` GNU Dico - " Jean Louis
2020-10-01 16:29                             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-01 16:39                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 16:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:41                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 16:55                                 ` Thibaut Verron
2020-10-01 16:44                               ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 15:19                         ` tomas
2020-10-01 15:33                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 16:07                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 19:15                         ` chad
2020-10-02  5:41                           ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29  8:08               ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2020-09-29 11:40                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-30  4:37               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-26 16:30 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-26 16:51   ` James Lu
2020-09-26 18:06     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-27  2:42       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-27  8:27         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-28  3:47           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-26 16:54   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-26 17:36     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-26 18:11       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-26 18:58         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-26 19:26           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-26 19:28           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-26 21:04             ` James Lu
2020-09-27  2:42       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-27  6:29         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-27  2:42       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-27  7:32         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-27  7:53           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-28 22:25             ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 15:14                 ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 13:22                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 15:46                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-27  4:14                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-27  7:15                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-22 14:09                     ` Jean Louis
2020-10-22 14:18                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-28  3:44           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-26 19:27   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-27  2:41   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-27  2:41   ` tooltip feature Richard Stallman
2020-09-27  9:42     ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-27 10:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-27 10:29         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-27 16:00       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-29  1:07         ` chad
2020-09-27 17:31   ` How to make Emacs popular again Bob Newell
2020-09-27 20:31     ` James Lu
2020-09-28  3:52       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28  6:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-28 22:00       ` Jean Louis
2020-09-27 20:38     ` James Lu
2020-09-27 20:40       ` James Lu
2020-09-28  0:52       ` Bob Newell
2020-09-28  2:48         ` 황병희
2020-09-28 18:12         ` James Lu
2020-09-28  5:27       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-04 21:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-10-07  8:58     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-07 11:21       ` João Távora
2020-10-07 14:28         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-08  4:42         ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-08  9:27           ` João Távora
2020-10-09  3:32             ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-08 14:05           ` Georges Ko
2020-10-08 14:13             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-09  3:32             ` Lists of symbols in the Lisp Manual Richard Stallman
2020-10-08 14:22           ` How to make Emacs popular again Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-08 14:29             ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-08 14:54               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-08 15:00                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-08 15:22                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-08 18:08               ` Daniel Martín
2020-10-08 18:21                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-08 20:45                   ` Daniel Martín
2020-10-08 20:49                     ` Drew Adams
2020-10-09  6:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-08 21:57                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-08 22:06                     ` Drew Adams
2020-10-08 22:16                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-08 22:36                         ` Drew Adams
2020-10-08 22:41                           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
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2020-10-09 15:25                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-09  6:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-09  7:38                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-09  9:41                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-08 20:38                 ` Drew Adams
2020-10-08 20:39               ` Drew Adams
2020-10-08 22:01                 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-08 22:21                   ` Drew Adams
2020-10-08 22:33                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-08 22:47                       ` Drew Adams
2020-10-08 23:13                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-09 22:50                           ` Drew Adams
2020-10-10  0:51                             ` Daniel Martín
2020-10-10  2:15                               ` Drew Adams
2020-10-10  8:52                                 ` Michael Albinus
2020-10-10 16:20                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-10-08 20:45               ` Drew Adams
2020-10-09  3:32             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28 18:12   ` James Lu
2020-09-30 18:44   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-30 20:51     ` Mathias Dahl
2020-10-01 18:51       ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-26 17:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-28  5:16 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-28 11:11   ` Ergus
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