From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to make Emacs popular again: Use monospaced fonts less Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2020 00:14:18 +0200 Message-ID: <87blh8fm11.fsf@gnus.org> References: <84273aa2-24a9-7584-18b9-03a5ac783d62@yandex.ru> <835z7vjrg3.fsf@gnu.org> <83tuvegkmo.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9ftf6n9.fsf@gnu.org> <835z7qfp6h.fsf@gnu.org> <87ft6lgw5y.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <1F8F3522-1E6C-40A3-B61A-B9B84FC0AD18@gnu.org> <87blh9gthg.fsf@gnus.org> <87tuv1f2y9.fsf@gnus.org> <83mu0s50if.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21444"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 12 00:15:10 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRjcT-0005TR-UE for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 00:15:09 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46714 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRjcS-0000HR-Vq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 18:15:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44124) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRjbm-0008JS-M5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 18:14:26 -0400 Original-Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2]:38590) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kRjbk-0006nP-MP; Sun, 11 Oct 2020 18:14:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=uGsNDO+hWv2NlVrTvi50uSTYq7AxsWUUCAOxSIKnI2E=; b=AngnbahJxD1M4Fkm1inCRtb/cP 94+eCb8vSyYOebYg2Fo3zeiHI1F4wCg+Y4s+QRW8aeYdDLIfBoo1sHlSrgM5Sme3H3OHM3DvqpBo6 ZpN0vvJ03UYInckeN9WWftqyB/l4ewhREXLx0y/XHd3MV56EykLj6Z6FGIqQZto2hTCs=; Original-Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kRjbf-0000hT-DP; Mon, 12 Oct 2020 00:14:22 +0200 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEUWCwtdNjSvSkG+ oJ////9WMgcnAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+QKCxYLBVeFnhIAAAFXSURBVDjLtZPrsYQg DIUTbSDBBiBUIPTf2z3h5eroz5uZ3RnzwckTov8xfneLAsnLcU0qbyQE1ZfzpLCJtEsPv1VYOq9L HatZaUSnYE9Rg7mVWvSRUuok17hEekpq3XLBqSsQpwUqarnS3mwCqyeRxaU0QXAtrnUCs6O4PzWt LU/AUChTK8tWywqRB0DSObLH6SCjZrgjjuD/F1jNcImLWuIal5SdKF2FkR9Aliu4p6sWYjgt7iaz 7dYqr+hhvsAYhyjqAqqQ+gGMPAAKpuVzhLWRqh7+85QButEoVy3lDsSHN0Hy6wB+S/p8aLSCRRGb jtFY7jeEAolUdGKf3egAtXv9Z6BtDo+p9a7ZjuVVWrvTlNaCrf1wqTVg+tlMv3HfZFZfIBHy0De/ nsRBPHiQa/Pa4nLqUg8xHufs8VzWGt7dPt3b83j5eryHB5Av8HpDvsAX0Q+tP5gBNiqaP9laAAAA JXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIwLTEwLTExVDIyOjExOjA0KzAwOjAwGwTmbQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0 ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMC0xMC0xMVQyMjoxMTowNCswMDowMGpZXtEAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Crack We Are Rock's _Cosmic Mind Flight_: "Black Horse Rise" In-Reply-To: <83mu0s50if.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 11 Oct 2020 16:56:56 +0300") Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a01:4f9:2b:f0f::2; envelope-from=larsi@gnus.org; helo=quimby.gnus.org X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:257420 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: > display-time-mode shows AM and PM, though. I don't think the shift in pixels twice a day will annoy anyone. :-) >> I've now used this for hours :-), and the only thing I've noticed >> being even remotely odd is the U:** switching to U:--, which takes >> much less space and draws the eye. > > Using :align-to is simple, and could even simplify the mode-line > construction: instead of carefully counting spaces, you will need just > one space with a suitable :align-to. So I'm not really sure why this > needs an argument. I just didn't want to add any premature complexity here if none is needed. But... Now that you mention it, I don't quite see how to use :align-to in the mode line (in general). It takes as a parameter the target column number (or pixels), so if we want to say "this element should be at least 80 pixels wide", then we need to know what column/pixel we're on already, don't we? Or am I missing something obvious here? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no