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From: Emanuel Berg <incal@dataswamp.org>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 02:52:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <878r73g2m0.fsf@dataswamp.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 87sf5bom14.fsf@yahoo.com

Po Lu wrote:

>> The abstractions elevate Elisp to new levels, and from
>> there, they make it easier for everyone else writing code
>> not having to do on the level of very basic building
>> blocks. Relying on wizards to juggle and combine basics
>> like crazy to achieve wonders isn't the way computer
>> technology has been moving forward, on the contrary that
>> has been done by moving complexity into modules and
>> providing neat interfaces so people only have to master the
>> interfaces, not the details what happens below that to
>> carry out the desired task.
>
> When such interfaces number greater than the finer details,
> that proves so much more challenging than expressing these
> details with the elementary operations which
> constitute them.

As we have seen here and in the stats I provided earlier in
the thread how much cl-lib is used, it follows a lot of people
have been able to put it into good use. It is not too
complicated for anyone, and often on the contrary makes the
code shorter and easier to read. If a bunch of guys take on
the entire Emacs source and for that reason want a more simple
Elisp, then that's their opinion based on their particular
point of view. But cl-lib is still awesome and makes the code
better, not worse.

-- 
underground experts united
https://dataswamp.org/~incal




  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-12  1:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 559+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-13  5:24 [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core Arthur Miller
2023-09-15  8:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17  0:46   ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-17  4:55     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-17  9:13       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17  9:54         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-17 17:38         ` Drew Adams
2023-09-18 19:38           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-19 10:19           ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-19 10:21         ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-19 11:21           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-19 12:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-21 20:27             ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-17  5:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-17  8:54       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17 17:29         ` Drew Adams
2023-09-18 19:40           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-15  1:53       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-15  2:46         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-15  5:57           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-15  5:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-17  4:51           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19  1:28             ` Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Richard Stallman
2023-10-19  4:14               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19  4:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  5:18                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19  7:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  8:11                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24  0:59                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-19  7:34                   ` Stephen Berman
2023-10-19  7:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  8:32                       ` Stephen Berman
2023-10-19  9:04                       ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-19 13:44                         ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-19 14:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 16:11                             ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-25 22:02                               ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-25 22:31                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-26  5:18                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 11:19                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-26  5:16                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-07 10:51                               ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-08 18:01                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 11:41                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 15:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 16:10                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 16:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 18:34                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 19:48                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21  5:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21  5:19                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-19  5:27               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-19  7:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 11:19                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19 12:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-20  3:02                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-20  6:10                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-10-20  6:30                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-20  6:49                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21 10:18                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-21 15:17                           ` Jens Schmidt
2023-10-21 15:21                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-22  0:52                         ` Björn Bidar
2023-10-22  1:20                           ` Emanuel Berg
     [not found]                         ` <87pm17iilu.fsf@>
2023-10-22  5:09                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 11:07                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-23 11:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 12:26                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23 12:18                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23 12:51                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23  2:08                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-23  2:31                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23  8:13                             ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-19 12:34                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-19 12:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 13:28                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-19 14:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21  3:34                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-21  5:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21  7:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21 17:53                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-21 18:03                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-21 20:13                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-25  2:44                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21 19:00                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21 20:38                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-22  3:40                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-25  2:44                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-25 12:15                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 12:57                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23  2:12                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21 12:05                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-23  2:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-23 12:54                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-23 14:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  2:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-25 12:21                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  2:27                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26  6:50                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 10:16                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23 14:06                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-10-23 14:34                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 14:48                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-10-23 14:57                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 22:11                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  2:31                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24  8:18                                           ` Po Lu
2023-10-24  8:35                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  9:04                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 11:35                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 12:41                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 12:48                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 13:01                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 13:07                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 13:33                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 13:51                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 14:31                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-24 15:00                                                               ` Corwin Brust
2023-10-24 18:05                                                               ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-24 19:43                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-25 18:19                                                                   ` Corwin Brust
2023-10-24 11:30                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 15:44                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  8:10                                         ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                         ` <87cyx4jva9.fsf@>
2023-10-24 11:27                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 12:43                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24 12:54                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 15:19                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24 15:29                                             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                             ` <87ttqghwcs.fsf@>
2023-10-24 15:54                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 17:54                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24 18:36                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27  2:12                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-27  6:19                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 15:07                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19 17:47                     ` Björn Bidar
2023-10-23  2:08                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-23 11:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  2:47                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-25  3:11                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-25  7:57                           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-25  8:07                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-26  2:27                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26  6:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  9:31                                 ` Adam Porter
2023-10-26  9:42                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 10:03                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 10:34                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-26 11:32                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-26 19:47                                     ` Bob Rogers
2023-10-26 19:59                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28  3:20                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-28 15:39                                         ` What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Stefan Kangas
2023-10-28 16:18                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 18:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 19:08                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 19:15                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 19:36                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 19:10                                           ` Jim Porter
2023-10-28 19:14                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 21:03                                               ` Jim Porter
2023-10-29  6:10                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-30  2:09                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-30 17:13                                                   ` Jim Porter
2023-10-30  2:09                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-31  2:31                                             ` Adam Porter
2023-10-31  3:27                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-31 10:38                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-02  2:28                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-02  2:42                                                   ` Jim Porter
2023-11-02  8:55                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-02  9:27                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-02 21:26                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-03  1:51                                                         ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03  2:21                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-03 19:51                                                             ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03 20:32                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-03 22:33                                                                 ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03 22:46                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-04  9:34                                                                     ` Stephen Berman
2023-11-05 18:52                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 16:17                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-08 14:19                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-08 15:00                                                               ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                                               ` <87r0l070jt.fsf@>
2023-11-08 17:18                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-08 17:59                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-08 20:19                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08 21:10                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-08 23:17                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 10:05                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 11:06                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-09 11:37                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 12:34                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:38                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-09 15:05                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 15:29                                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 15:43                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 13:10                                                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 13:57                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:07                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 14:16                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:54                                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 16:05                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 15:39                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-09 15:51                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 16:23                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:45                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-09 14:28                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-09 14:39                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-10  0:02                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  2:23                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-10  2:42                                                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 11:11                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-10 12:52                                                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 13:08                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:39                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 14:18                                                                                           ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-10 21:05                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:11                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  1:44                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:58                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 15:54                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  0:22                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  6:01                                                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11  7:55                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 13:09                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:17                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:39                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-11 14:06                                                                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 14:43                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:53                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:01                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-11 14:09                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:22                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-11 14:25                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:39                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-11 15:06                                                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 18:33                                                                                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-11 18:49                                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 14:53                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11 15:51                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 18:07                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11 20:37                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 20:53                                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  6:49                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12  7:22                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-12 11:28                                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-14  2:58                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-12  6:59                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-12  8:44                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-13  6:28                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-13 14:56                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-13 16:38                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16  3:04                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-11 21:49                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-12  2:36                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-12  6:27                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 10:21                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-12 11:22                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 14:34                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-12  7:11                                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-12 22:09                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-12 23:14                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-13  0:25                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-13  1:03                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-13  2:43                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14  0:41                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14  2:27                                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-14  2:44                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 10:34                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-14 11:47                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 12:14                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-14 12:20                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 12:50                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-14  2:44                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-14  2:48                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 15:45                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-14 23:11                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 23:52                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-15  0:46                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15  1:07                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-15  1:17                                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-15  1:32                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15  1:28                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15 12:14                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-15 14:05                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15 15:02                                                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-15 15:29                                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-15 19:12                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15 19:56                                                                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-15 23:25                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-16  0:28                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16  5:45                                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 14:30                                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 16:02                                                                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 16:24                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 17:44                                                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 20:06                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 20:12                                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17 14:16                                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 20:09                                                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 21:54                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-17  2:44                                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-11-17  2:47                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-17  7:12                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17  6:08                                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17  7:21                                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 16:14                                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2023-11-18  5:58                                                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-20 14:56                                                                                                                                                         ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-17 14:45                                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-20 14:30                                                                                                                                                 ` PCL [Re: " Madhu
2023-11-20 14:35                                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-20 15:13                                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17  2:09                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-21  2:22                                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-16 13:23                                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 14:40                                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 15:24                                                                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 15:29                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 13:43                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 14:36                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 15:16                                                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 15:24                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 16:42                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-16 17:40                                                                                                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 21:58                                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-17  6:56                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 10:44                                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-17 10:47                                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-17 12:22                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 13:14                                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-17 15:01                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 15:17                                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-18  6:14                                                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17 14:49                                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-17 15:05                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-18  3:03                                                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-14  6:06                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-13  8:35                                                                                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-13 11:21                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-14 14:43                                                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-15  5:59                                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 15:22                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-12  2:57                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-12  6:45                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 19:45                                                                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-14  2:58                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-14  3:31                                                                                                       ` Sebastián Monía
2023-11-14 12:29                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 18:28                                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-16  1:33                                                                                                           ` T.V Raman
2023-11-14  5:05                                                                                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-14  8:13                                                                                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-11-14 10:38                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-14 10:55                                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-14 11:47                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-14 14:04                                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-14 14:19                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-14 15:02                                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-14 15:35                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-15  0:13                                                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-15 10:28                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-15 10:40                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 10:56                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-15 12:36                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 13:15                                                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-15 13:28                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-15 13:34                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-14 17:40                                                                                                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-11-15  0:53                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-14 16:47                                                                                                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-11-21  2:43                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03  4:11                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03 11:55                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2024-01-03 13:59                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 12:44                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12  7:30                                                                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-12 19:48                                                                                                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-12 19:58                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-12 22:43                                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2023-11-12 22:59                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-12 23:04                                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2023-11-12 23:44                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-15 14:41                                                                                                 ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-15 14:51                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-15 21:21                                                                                                     ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-16  0:28                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-16 14:36                                                                                                         ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-16 14:57                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 15:42                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-16 16:03                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-11 15:23                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 16:03                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 16:41                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 16:45                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 18:31                                                                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-11 18:30                                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2023-11-11 13:37                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 13:50                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:58                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-12  0:18                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:20                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 18:32                                                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-12  0:34                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-12  2:00                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  6:56                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-12 23:59                                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  5:18                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-13  6:09                                                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 15:23                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-10  0:31                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  2:09                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-10  3:17                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 10:54                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:14                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 14:18                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-11  0:38                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 12:10                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:03                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:20                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:35                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 18:13                                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  0:25                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-12  1:52                                                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg [this message]
2023-11-12  7:15                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-12 23:55                                                                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  5:16                                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-13  6:35                                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 18:08                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  3:07                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-10 21:22                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:14                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-12-05 10:45                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-10 21:17                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:23                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  6:11                                                                                         ` tomas
2023-11-11 12:27                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-11  6:24                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11 20:42                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  7:42                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-12 23:22                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  8:52                                                                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-13 11:31                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-15 23:26                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 12:16                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-11 12:52                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  2:04                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  8:20                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-10 10:42                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 11:36                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-10 12:12                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 14:39                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11  0:12                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  6:34                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11  7:49                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  8:01                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 14:50                                                                                             ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-12  2:57                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-10 14:35                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-10  7:05                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-10 13:16                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 14:23                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-10 14:34                                                                               ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-11  1:33                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-09  3:17                                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-09  3:59                                                                       ` T.V Raman
2023-11-09  7:24                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-09 10:34                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 11:48                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-09 12:40                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:36                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 13:41                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:59                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-10 12:13                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 12:53                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:17                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-10 14:25                                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 14:35                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-10 15:11                                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 15:14                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-10 15:47                                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 16:10                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-10 20:24                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-11 11:53                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-11  6:21                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11 13:20                                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-11  6:08                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11 12:50                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-13  3:07                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-09 13:42                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-09 13:07                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 12:19                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-09 14:49                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 15:12                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 15:13                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 20:04                                                                             ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-11  3:13                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-11 19:47                                                                                 ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-13  3:07                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-13  5:11                                                                                     ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-15  3:21                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-09 19:36                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03  2:22                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-03  7:07                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03  7:48                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-03  7:59                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03  8:13                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-12  2:57                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-12 11:08                                                       ` Petteri Hintsanen
2023-11-12 11:19                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 23:48                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-12-21  4:20                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-02 11:07                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-02 11:18                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-02 15:20                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-02 15:31                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-02 18:28                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 16:18                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-07 16:39                                                         ` Drew Adams
2023-11-07 18:16                                                           ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-09  2:35                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-08  5:46                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-01  1:51                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-01  1:51                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-29 16:31                                         ` Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways João Távora
2023-10-29 17:16                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-29 23:19                                             ` João Távora
2023-10-30 14:35                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-30 14:50                                                 ` João Távora
2023-10-30 16:27                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-30 16:40                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01  1:50                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-01 11:16                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01 12:32                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-01 12:49                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01 13:07                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-01 13:17                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01 14:09                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-01 14:13                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-01  1:48                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-01 12:09                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 12:23                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  2:27                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26  6:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  2:47                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-20  7:48     ` [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core Arsen Arsenović
2023-10-20 10:08       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-10-21  8:22         ` Emanuel Berg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-11-03  8:21 What's missing in ELisp that makes, people want to use cl-lib? Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-11-03  9:27 ` João Távora
2023-11-03 10:43   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-11-03 13:37 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 14:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:08     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 15:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:30         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 15:39           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:49             ` Gerd Möllmann

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