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From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: "Dmitry Gutov" <dmitry@gutov.dev>,
	"Björn Bidar" <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2023 14:23:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALDnm53Z0SucSnrKjpDYBdxSuzhnYwtbAGEeV9kBVfk74-1-rQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZU4tSeLomSQ5E4IX@ACM>

On Fri, Nov 10, 2023 at 1:16 PM Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de> wrote:

> > Or any programming language for that matter, if you know enough
> > machine code.  Or any other programming abstraction I happen not to be
> > familiar with.
>
> I am familiar with machine code.  It is perhaps pertinent to remark that
> modern processors tend to the reduced instruction set model - that the
> complicated "do it in one single complicated instruction" notion doesn't
> help the writing of good compilers, or the running of programs
> efficiently.  I suspect that analagous logic applies to programming
> languages too.

That's a clever and interesting perspective actually, but I would
tend to say no.  Programming languages are still written and read
by humans.  Human brains aren't designed the same way processors
are.  For one they aren't "designed" at all.  And we don't consume
information the same way a metal likes to, we don't unroll loops,
and at least I don't prefetch all of the supermarket shelf when
someone tells me to get olives, etc, etc.  Plus I'm horrible at
parallelism.  And we don't speak with reduced instruction sets,
we have many words with nuanced meanings.

João



  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-10 14:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 559+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-13  5:24 [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core Arthur Miller
2023-09-15  8:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17  0:46   ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-17  4:55     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-17  9:13       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17  9:54         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-09-17 17:38         ` Drew Adams
2023-09-18 19:38           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-19 10:19           ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-19 10:21         ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-19 11:21           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-19 12:39             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-21 20:27             ` Richard Stallman
2023-09-17  5:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-09-17  8:54       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-09-17 17:29         ` Drew Adams
2023-09-18 19:40           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-15  1:53       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-15  2:46         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-15  5:57           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-15  5:54         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-17  4:51           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19  1:28             ` Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Richard Stallman
2023-10-19  4:14               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19  4:54                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  5:18                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19  7:56                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  8:11                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24  0:59                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-19  7:34                   ` Stephen Berman
2023-10-19  7:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19  8:32                       ` Stephen Berman
2023-10-19  9:04                       ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-19 13:44                         ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-19 14:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 16:11                             ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-25 22:02                               ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-25 22:31                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-26  5:18                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 11:19                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-26  5:16                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-07 10:51                               ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-08 18:01                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 11:41                                   ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 15:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 16:10                                       ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 16:36                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 18:34                                           ` Andrea Corallo
2023-11-09 19:48                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21  5:19                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21  5:19                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-19  5:27               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-19  7:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 11:19                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19 12:29                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-20  3:02                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-20  6:10                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-10-20  6:30                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-20  6:49                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21 10:18                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-21 15:17                           ` Jens Schmidt
2023-10-21 15:21                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-22  0:52                         ` Björn Bidar
2023-10-22  1:20                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23  2:08                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-23  2:31                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23  8:13                             ` Stefan Kangas
     [not found]                         ` <87pm17iilu.fsf@>
2023-10-22  5:09                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 11:07                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-23 11:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 12:26                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23 12:18                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23 12:51                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 12:34                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-19 12:55                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 13:28                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-19 14:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21  3:34                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-10-21  5:21                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21  7:42                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21 17:53                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-21 18:03                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-21 20:13                                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-25  2:44                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21 19:00                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-21 20:38                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-22  3:40                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-25  2:44                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-25 12:15                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 12:57                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23  2:12                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-21 12:05                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-23  2:11                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-23 12:54                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-23 14:11                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  2:46                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-25 12:21                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  2:27                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26  6:50                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 10:16                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-23 14:06                               ` Gregory Heytings
2023-10-23 14:34                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 14:48                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-10-23 14:57                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 22:11                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  2:31                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24  8:18                                           ` Po Lu
2023-10-24  8:35                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  9:04                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 11:35                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 12:41                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 12:48                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 13:01                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 13:07                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 13:33                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-24 13:51                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 14:31                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-24 15:00                                                               ` Corwin Brust
2023-10-24 18:05                                                               ` Andrea Corallo
2023-10-24 19:43                                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-10-25 18:19                                                                   ` Corwin Brust
2023-10-24 11:30                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 15:44                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-24  8:10                                         ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                         ` <87cyx4jva9.fsf@>
2023-10-24 11:27                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 12:43                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24 12:54                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 15:19                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24 15:29                                             ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                             ` <87ttqghwcs.fsf@>
2023-10-24 15:54                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-24 17:54                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-24 18:36                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-27  2:12                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-27  6:19                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-23 15:07                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-19 17:47                     ` Björn Bidar
2023-10-23  2:08                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-23 11:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  2:47                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-25  3:11                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-25  7:57                           ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-25  8:07                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-10-26  2:27                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26  6:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  9:31                                 ` Adam Porter
2023-10-26  9:42                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 10:03                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-10-26 10:34                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-26 11:32                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-26 19:47                                     ` Bob Rogers
2023-10-26 19:59                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28  3:20                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-28 15:39                                         ` What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Stefan Kangas
2023-10-28 16:18                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 18:52                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 19:08                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 19:15                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 19:36                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 19:10                                           ` Jim Porter
2023-10-28 19:14                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 21:03                                               ` Jim Porter
2023-10-29  6:10                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-30  2:09                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-30 17:13                                                   ` Jim Porter
2023-10-30  2:09                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-31  2:31                                             ` Adam Porter
2023-10-31  3:27                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-31 10:38                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-02  2:28                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-02  2:42                                                   ` Jim Porter
2023-11-02  8:55                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-02  9:27                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-02 21:26                                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-03  1:51                                                         ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03  2:21                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-03 19:51                                                             ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03 20:32                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-03 22:33                                                                 ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03 22:46                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-04  9:34                                                                     ` Stephen Berman
2023-11-05 18:52                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 16:17                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-08 14:19                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-08 15:00                                                               ` Björn Bidar
     [not found]                                                               ` <87r0l070jt.fsf@>
2023-11-08 17:18                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-08 17:59                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-08 20:19                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08 21:10                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-08 23:17                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 10:05                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 11:06                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-09 11:37                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 12:34                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:38                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-09 15:05                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 15:29                                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 15:43                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 13:10                                                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 13:57                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:07                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 14:16                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:54                                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 16:05                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 15:39                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-09 15:51                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-09 16:23                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:45                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-09 14:28                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-09 14:39                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-10  0:02                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  2:23                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-10  2:42                                                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 11:11                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-10 12:52                                                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 13:08                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:39                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 14:18                                                                                           ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-10 21:05                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:11                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  1:44                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:58                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 15:54                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  0:22                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  6:01                                                                                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11  7:55                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 13:09                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:17                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:39                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-11 14:06                                                                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 14:43                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:53                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:01                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-11 14:09                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:22                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-11 14:25                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 14:39                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-11 15:06                                                                                                       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 18:33                                                                                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-11 18:49                                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 14:53                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11 15:51                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 18:07                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11 20:37                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 20:53                                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  6:49                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12  7:22                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-12 11:28                                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-14  2:58                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-12  6:59                                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-12  8:44                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-13  6:28                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-13 14:56                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-13 16:38                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16  3:04                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-11 21:49                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-12  2:36                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-12  6:27                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 10:21                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-12 11:22                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 14:34                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-12  7:11                                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-12 22:09                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-12 23:14                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-13  0:25                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-13  1:03                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-13  2:43                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14  0:41                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14  2:27                                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-14  2:44                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 10:34                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-14 11:47                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 12:14                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-14 12:20                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 12:50                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-14  2:44                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-14  2:48                                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 15:45                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-14 23:11                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-14 23:52                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-15  0:46                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15  1:07                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-15  1:17                                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-15  1:32                                                                                                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15  1:28                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15 12:14                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-15 14:05                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15 15:02                                                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-15 15:29                                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-15 19:12                                                                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-15 19:56                                                                                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-15 23:25                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-16  0:28                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16  5:45                                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 14:30                                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 16:02                                                                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 16:24                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 17:44                                                                                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 20:06                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 20:12                                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17 14:16                                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 20:09                                                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 21:54                                                                                                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-17  2:44                                                                                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-11-17  2:47                                                                                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-17  7:12                                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17  6:08                                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17  7:21                                                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 16:14                                                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2023-11-18  5:58                                                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-20 14:56                                                                                                                                                         ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-17 14:45                                                                                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-20 14:30                                                                                                                                                 ` PCL [Re: " Madhu
2023-11-20 14:35                                                                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-20 15:13                                                                                                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17  2:09                                                                                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-21  2:22                                                                                                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-16 13:23                                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 14:40                                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 15:24                                                                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 15:29                                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 13:43                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 14:36                                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 15:16                                                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 15:24                                                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-16 16:42                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-16 17:40                                                                                                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 21:58                                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-17  6:56                                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 10:44                                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-17 10:47                                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-17 12:22                                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 13:14                                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-17 15:01                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 15:17                                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-18  6:14                                                                                                                                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-17 14:49                                                                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-17 15:05                                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-18  3:03                                                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-14  6:06                                                                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-13  8:35                                                                                                               ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-13 11:21                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-14 14:43                                                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-15  5:59                                                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-16 15:22                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-12  2:57                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-12  6:45                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 19:45                                                                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-14  2:58                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-14  3:31                                                                                                       ` Sebastián Monía
2023-11-14 12:29                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 18:28                                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-16  1:33                                                                                                           ` T.V Raman
2023-11-14  5:05                                                                                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-14  8:13                                                                                                       ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-11-14 10:38                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-14 10:55                                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-14 11:47                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-14 14:04                                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-14 14:19                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-14 15:02                                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-14 15:35                                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-15  0:13                                                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-15 10:28                                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-15 10:40                                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 10:56                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-15 12:36                                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 13:15                                                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-15 13:28                                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-15 13:34                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-14 17:40                                                                                                               ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-11-15  0:53                                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-14 16:47                                                                                                             ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-11-21  2:43                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03  4:11                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2024-01-03 11:55                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2024-01-03 13:59                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-01-03 12:44                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12  7:30                                                                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-12 19:48                                                                                                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-12 19:58                                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-12 22:43                                                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2023-11-12 22:59                                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-12 23:04                                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2023-11-12 23:44                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-15 14:41                                                                                                 ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-15 14:51                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-15 21:21                                                                                                     ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-16  0:28                                                                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-16 14:36                                                                                                         ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-16 14:57                                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-16 15:42                                                                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-16 16:03                                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-11 15:23                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 16:03                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 16:41                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 16:45                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-11 18:31                                                                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-11 18:30                                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2023-11-11 13:37                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 13:50                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:58                                                                                               ` João Távora
2023-11-12  0:18                                                                                                 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:20                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 18:32                                                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-12  0:34                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-12  2:00                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  6:56                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-12 23:59                                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  5:18                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-13  6:09                                                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 15:23                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-10  0:31                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  2:09                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-10  3:17                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 10:54                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:14                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 14:18                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-11  0:38                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 12:10                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:03                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:20                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:35                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 18:13                                                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  0:25                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-12  1:52                                                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  7:15                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-12 23:55                                                                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  5:16                                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-13  6:35                                                                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 18:08                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  3:07                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-10 21:22                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:14                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-12-05 10:45                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-10 21:17                                                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-11  1:23                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  6:11                                                                                         ` tomas
2023-11-11 12:27                                                                                           ` João Távora
2023-11-11  6:24                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11 20:42                                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-12  7:42                                                                                             ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-12 23:22                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-13  8:52                                                                                                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-13 11:31                                                                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-15 23:26                                                                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-11 12:16                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-11 12:52                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  2:04                                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-11-10  8:20                                                                             ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-10 10:42                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 11:36                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-10 12:12                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 14:39                                                                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11  0:12                                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  6:34                                                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-11  7:49                                                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-11-11  8:01                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-15 14:50                                                                                             ` Augusto Stoffel
2023-11-12  2:57                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-10 14:35                                                                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-10  7:05                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-10 13:16                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 14:23                                                                             ` João Távora [this message]
2023-11-10 14:34                                                                               ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-11-11  1:33                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-11-09  3:17                                                                     ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-09  3:59                                                                       ` T.V Raman
2023-11-09  7:24                                                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-09 10:34                                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 11:48                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-09 12:40                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:36                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 13:41                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-09 13:59                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-10 12:13                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 12:53                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:17                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-10 14:25                                                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 14:35                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-10 15:11                                                                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 15:14                                                                                         ` João Távora
2023-11-10 15:47                                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 16:10                                                                                             ` João Távora
2023-11-10 20:24                                                                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-11 11:53                                                                                                 ` João Távora
2023-11-11  6:21                                                                                         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11 13:20                                                                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-11  6:08                                                                                   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-11 12:50                                                                                     ` João Távora
2023-11-13  3:07                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-09 13:42                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-09 13:07                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 12:19                                                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-09 14:49                                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-09 15:12                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 15:13                                                                           ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 20:04                                                                             ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-11  3:13                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-11 19:47                                                                                 ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-13  3:07                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-13  5:11                                                                                     ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-15  3:21                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-09 19:36                                                                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03  2:22                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-03  7:07                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03  7:48                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-03  7:59                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03  8:13                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-12  2:57                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-12 11:08                                                       ` Petteri Hintsanen
2023-11-12 11:19                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-12 23:48                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-12-21  4:20                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-02 11:07                                                   ` João Távora
2023-11-02 11:18                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-02 15:20                                                     ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-11-02 15:31                                                       ` João Távora
2023-11-02 18:28                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 16:18                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-07 16:39                                                         ` Drew Adams
2023-11-07 18:16                                                           ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-09  2:35                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-08  5:46                                                         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-01  1:51                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-01  1:51                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-29 16:31                                         ` Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways João Távora
2023-10-29 17:16                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-10-29 23:19                                             ` João Távora
2023-10-30 14:35                                               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-30 14:50                                                 ` João Távora
2023-10-30 16:27                                                   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-30 16:40                                                     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01  1:50                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-01 11:16                                                         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01 12:32                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-01 12:49                                                             ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01 13:07                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-01 13:17                                                                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-01 14:09                                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-01 14:13                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-01  1:48                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-01 12:09                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 12:23                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26  2:27                             ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26  6:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25  2:47                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-20  7:48     ` [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core Arsen Arsenović
2023-10-20 10:08       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-10-21  8:22         ` Emanuel Berg
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-11-03  8:21 What's missing in ELisp that makes, people want to use cl-lib? Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-11-03  9:27 ` João Távora
2023-11-03 10:43   ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-11-03 13:37 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 14:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:08     ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 15:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:30         ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 15:39           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:49             ` Gerd Möllmann

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