From: "Gerd Möllmann" <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> Cc: paaguti@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes, people want to use cl-lib? Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2023 16:08:09 +0100 [thread overview] Message-ID: <m21qd6ri1y.fsf@Pro.fritz.box> (raw) In-Reply-To: <83a5ru7w0b.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 03 Nov 2023 16:27:00 +0200") Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes: >> From: Gerd Möllmann <gerd.moellmann@gmail.com> >> Cc: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org> >> Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2023 14:37:14 +0100 >> >> The reason I will not use seq.el or map.el in the forseeable future is >> quite simple: I haven't ever needed an abstraction over sequence types >> using generic functions, and I never have CPU cycles to give away for >> free. > > What prevents us from implementing in seq.el methods for specific > types of sequences? I won't :-). > AFAIU, the only reason we didn't is because no > one has yet came up with important situations where the generics in > seq.el are not performant enough. I don't get that line of reasoning, sorry. The Elisp manual kind of advertises its abstraction over sequence type, you kind of say it is isn't needed because it's kind of fast enough, usually. What I'm missing is a positive reason why to use it. I don't see one.
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2023-11-03 8:21 What's missing in ELisp that makes, people want to use cl-lib? Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-11-03 9:27 ` João Távora
2023-11-03 10:43 ` Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez
2023-11-03 13:37 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 14:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:08 ` Gerd Möllmann [this message]
2023-11-03 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:30 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-03 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-03 15:49 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-06 2:27 ` seq.el and the complexity of Emacs Lisp Richard Stallman
2023-11-06 6:51 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-06 7:16 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-07 10:24 ` João Távora
2023-11-09 21:02 ` Jim Porter
2023-11-09 21:20 ` João Távora
2023-11-09 23:49 ` Jim Porter
2023-11-09 23:53 ` Jim Porter
2023-11-10 2:31 ` João Távora
2023-11-10 3:27 ` Jim Porter
2023-11-10 10:03 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-10 12:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-10 10:13 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-10 10:26 ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:30 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-08 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-08 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-08 5:31 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-11-06 8:11 ` Björn Bidar
2023-11-06 12:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-06 21:43 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 5:21 ` tomas
2023-11-07 5:50 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 6:21 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 12:02 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-11-07 12:28 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-07 12:29 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 11:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-07 12:26 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-08 3:08 ` Richard Stallman
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2023-11-06 12:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2023-11-06 21:30 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 7:35 ` Harald Judt
2023-11-07 10:14 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 12:26 ` Harald Judt
2023-11-07 12:38 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-11-07 12:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-07 13:50 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 14:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2023-10-19 1:28 Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Richard Stallman
2023-10-19 5:27 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-19 7:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-19 12:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-23 2:08 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-23 11:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-25 2:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-25 7:57 ` Stefan Kangas
2023-10-26 2:27 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-26 6:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-26 10:34 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-10-26 11:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-26 19:47 ` Bob Rogers
2023-10-28 3:20 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-28 15:39 ` What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Stefan Kangas
2023-10-28 16:18 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 18:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 19:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 19:36 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-10-28 19:10 ` Jim Porter
2023-10-28 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-28 21:03 ` Jim Porter
2023-10-29 6:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-30 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-30 17:13 ` Jim Porter
2023-10-30 2:09 ` Richard Stallman
2023-10-31 2:31 ` Adam Porter
2023-10-31 3:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-10-31 10:38 ` João Távora
2023-11-02 2:28 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-02 2:42 ` Jim Porter
2023-11-02 8:55 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-02 9:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-02 21:26 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-11-03 1:51 ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03 2:21 ` Emanuel Berg
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2023-11-03 20:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-03 22:33 ` Bob Rogers
2023-11-03 22:46 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-04 9:34 ` Stephen Berman
2023-11-05 18:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-07 16:17 ` Richard Stallman
2023-11-08 14:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-08 15:00 ` Björn Bidar
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2023-11-08 17:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-11-08 17:59 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-08 20:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-11-08 21:10 ` João Távora
2023-11-08 23:17 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-11-09 10:05 ` Alan Mackenzie
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2023-11-09 11:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2023-11-09 13:38 ` João Távora
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2023-11-16 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-16 17:40 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-11-16 21:58 ` João Távora
2023-11-17 6:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2023-11-17 12:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2023-11-17 15:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-17 15:17 ` João Távora
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2023-11-17 14:49 ` Michael Heerdegen
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2023-11-14 14:19 ` João Távora
2023-11-14 15:02 ` Po Lu
2023-11-14 15:35 ` João Távora
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2023-11-10 10:54 ` João Távora
2023-11-10 13:14 ` Po Lu
2023-11-10 14:18 ` João Távora
2023-11-11 0:38 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 12:10 ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:03 ` Po Lu
2023-11-11 13:20 ` João Távora
2023-11-11 13:35 ` Po Lu
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2023-11-09 3:59 ` T.V Raman
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2023-11-09 11:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2023-11-09 13:59 ` Emanuel Berg
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