From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:31:02 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <85zmw3efnt.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200504130001.j3D01Cn19635@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (Luc Teirlinck's message of "Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:01:12 -0500 (CDT)")
Luc Teirlinck <teirllm@dms.auburn.edu> writes:
> I have now enabled Xterm Mouse mode by default in xterm style
> terminal emulators, as requested. As I pointed out before, this is
> not without problems.
>
> One of the worst kind of problems occurs when you click on the mode
> line. You get no tooltips or echo area messages to tell you what is
> going to happen, because, even with Xterm Mouse mode enabled, Emacs
> does not respond to mouse over. So basically, when you click on the
> mode line you have no idea what is going to happen.
Tooltips are an optional help. A lot of people make do without them.
XEmacs has no working tooltips even today. So this is not so very
tragic.
> The main reason for wanting to click on the mode line is to resize
> the window. Should we not disable all the other fireworks in the
> mode line when we can not warn the user about them, that is, when
> not running under a window system?
The "fireworks" are not destructive and usually deliver a text message
what happened. I don't see much of a problem here.
We might want assign a mouse-button+modifier combination to explictly
providing a tooltip in the echo area: that way Xterm users can
"explore" things by clicking wildly in a similar way as mouse-over
enabled people can. Since point-positioning is not useful on the
modeline, one could even use mouse-1 (when used undragged) for that,
reserving mouse-2 for the actual action. That way people will tend
not to trigger something accidentally.
> A basic problem with Xterm Mouse mode is that mouse clicks are
> enabled, but the usual tools to tell you that mouse clicks are going
> to do something special and what that is (mouse face and tooltips or
> echo area messages) are not.
I don't see much tragedy here, like I said.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-04-12 23:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-04-02 3:51 `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-02 5:30 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-02 13:46 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-05 6:25 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-06 0:00 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-06 0:17 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-06 23:01 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-06 23:22 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-07 8:44 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-04-07 9:21 ` Han Boetes
2005-04-07 9:29 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-08 3:22 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-07 9:30 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-08 3:22 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-08 8:13 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-06 2:59 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-07 0:45 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-08 1:50 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-08 1:59 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-08 2:13 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-08 15:14 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-08 2:22 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-08 14:32 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-08 16:05 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-08 21:54 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-09 0:28 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-09 4:06 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-09 5:22 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-09 7:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-09 11:04 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-09 15:37 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-09 22:21 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-10 1:54 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-10 1:54 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-10 4:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-10 13:18 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-10 14:37 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-10 15:29 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-10 21:51 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-10 23:30 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-13 5:02 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-13 10:21 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-11 1:56 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-12 1:04 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-12 1:28 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-12 17:25 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-13 1:24 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-13 4:58 ` Jan D.
2005-04-13 5:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-14 2:16 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-14 4:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-14 7:40 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-04-15 2:04 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-15 8:23 ` Miles Bader
2005-04-15 8:47 ` Ismail Donmez
2005-04-15 8:47 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-04-15 9:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-16 1:06 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-14 19:03 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-15 2:11 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-13 5:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-12 2:12 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-12 2:47 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-12 17:23 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-13 0:01 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-12 23:31 ` David Kastrup [this message]
2005-04-13 1:49 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-13 2:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-13 18:31 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-10 14:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-11 1:56 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-06 3:02 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-06 8:22 ` David Kastrup
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