From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Kastrup Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:31:02 +0200 Message-ID: <85zmw3efnt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <200504020351.j323ppS16391@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16974.11752.332998.125628@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504021346.j32Dk3e19471@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16978.12100.857894.861739@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504060000.j3600bm15264@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16979.20638.871209.55398@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504070045.j370j0J27252@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16981.58243.428189.615765@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504081605.j38G5ia15320@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <16982.64939.154130.463783@farnswood.snap.net.nz> <200504090406.j3946HQ22712@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <01c53d89$Blat.v2.4$96f0bb20@zahav.net.il> <200504101318.j3ADID528159@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200504120212.j3C2CNc11392@raven.dms.auburn.edu> <200504130001.j3D01Cn19635@raven.d NNTP-Posting-Host: main.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: sea.gmane.org 1113355787 1809 80.91.229.2 (13 Apr 2005 01:29:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 01:29:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 13 03:29:43 2005 Return-path: Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by ciao.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLWgy-0006av-B5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 13 Apr 2005 03:29:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLWHN-0001Xa-Nd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:02:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DLWGo-0001UU-0D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:02:18 -0400 Original-Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1DLWGn-0001Tx-E3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:02:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DLWGn-0001Tm-CS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:02:17 -0400 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.164] (helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DLWiz-0005iP-2V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:31:25 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost.localdomain) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DLWia-000517-Iv; Tue, 12 Apr 2005 21:31:00 -0400 Original-To: Luc Teirlinck In-Reply-To: <200504130001.j3D01Cn19635@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (Luc Teirlinck's message of "Tue, 12 Apr 2005 19:01:12 -0500 (CDT)") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:35914 X-Report-Spam: http://spam.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel:35914 Luc Teirlinck writes: > I have now enabled Xterm Mouse mode by default in xterm style > terminal emulators, as requested. As I pointed out before, this is > not without problems. > > One of the worst kind of problems occurs when you click on the mode > line. You get no tooltips or echo area messages to tell you what is > going to happen, because, even with Xterm Mouse mode enabled, Emacs > does not respond to mouse over. So basically, when you click on the > mode line you have no idea what is going to happen. Tooltips are an optional help. A lot of people make do without them. XEmacs has no working tooltips even today. So this is not so very tragic. > The main reason for wanting to click on the mode line is to resize > the window. Should we not disable all the other fireworks in the > mode line when we can not warn the user about them, that is, when > not running under a window system? The "fireworks" are not destructive and usually deliver a text message what happened. I don't see much of a problem here. We might want assign a mouse-button+modifier combination to explictly providing a tooltip in the echo area: that way Xterm users can "explore" things by clicking wildly in a similar way as mouse-over enabled people can. Since point-positioning is not useful on the modeline, one could even use mouse-1 (when used undragged) for that, reserving mouse-2 for the actual action. That way people will tend not to trigger something accidentally. > A basic problem with Xterm Mouse mode is that mouse clicks are > enabled, but the usual tools to tell you that mouse clicks are going > to do something special and what that is (mouse face and tooltips or > echo area messages) are not. I don't see much tragedy here, like I said. -- David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum