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From: Luc Teirlinck <teirllm@dms.auburn.edu>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 18:30:01 -0500 (CDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200504102330.j3ANU1Z00322@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <16985.40932.272577.252728@farnswood.snap.net.nz> (message from Nick Roberts on Mon, 11 Apr 2005 09:51:32 +1200)

Nick Roberts wrote:

   I don't know how to access the standard value (:init-value?), what
   would happen if its not set, etc, but if its a sensible idea, I
   could look at it.

The standard value is the _unevaluated_ expression given as value in
the defcustom.  In the case of define-minor-mode, that is the
expression given as :init-value.  Evaluating the defcustom produced by
define-minor-mode sets or resets it to that.

You access the standard value from Lisp as
(car (get symbol 'standard-value))

If you did not customize the option you also get it from selecting
"Show initial Lisp expression" in the Custom buffer.

"Erase Customization" in a Custom buffer sets the value for the
current session back to Custom's idea of the standard value.  So if
that is different from the real default, trouble may result for the
current session.

You can change Custom's idea of the standard value by changing the
'standard-value property of the option symbol to a list whose car is
the expression you want.  But if then for any reason whatsoever the
defcustom gets evaluated again, it will set the standard value back to
the expression given in the defcustom.

Sincerely,

Luc.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-04-10 23:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-04-02  3:51 `xterm-mouse-mode' has a bogus Custom group Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-02  5:30 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-02 13:46   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-05  6:25     ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-06  0:00       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-06  0:17         ` David Kastrup
2005-04-06 23:01           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-06 23:22             ` David Kastrup
2005-04-07  8:44               ` Kim F. Storm
2005-04-07  9:21                 ` Han Boetes
2005-04-07  9:29                 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-08  3:22                   ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-07  9:30                 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-08  3:22               ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-08  8:13                 ` David Kastrup
2005-04-06  2:59         ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-07  0:45           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-08  1:50             ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-08  1:59               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-08  2:13                 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-08 15:14                   ` Andreas Schwab
2005-04-08  2:22                 ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-08 14:32               ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-08 16:05                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-08 21:54                   ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-09  0:28                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-09  4:06                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-09  5:22                       ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-09  7:53                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-09 11:04                           ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-09 15:37                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-09 22:21                               ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-10  1:54                         ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-10  1:54                       ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-10  4:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-10 13:18                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-10 14:37                             ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-10 15:29                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-10 21:51                               ` Nick Roberts
2005-04-10 23:30                                 ` Luc Teirlinck [this message]
2005-04-13  5:02                                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-13 10:21                                   ` David Kastrup
2005-04-11  1:56                             ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-12  1:04                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-12  1:28                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-12 17:25                                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-13  1:24                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-13  4:58                                     ` Jan D.
2005-04-13  5:28                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-14  2:16                                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-14  4:06                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-14  7:40                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2005-04-15  2:04                                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-15  8:23                                               ` Miles Bader
2005-04-15  8:47                                                 ` Ismail Donmez
2005-04-15  8:47                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2005-04-15  9:07                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-16  1:06                                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-14 19:03                                           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-15  2:11                                             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-13  5:21                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-04-12  2:12                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-12  2:47                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-12 17:23                                 ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-13  0:01                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-12 23:31                                     ` David Kastrup
2005-04-13  1:49                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-04-13  2:17                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-13 18:31                                     ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-10 14:27                         ` Stefan Monnier
2005-04-11  1:56                           ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-06  3:02       ` Richard Stallman
2005-04-06  8:22         ` David Kastrup

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