From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Bingo <right.ho@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions)
Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 10:23:46 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <834lf0tptp.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> (message from Bingo on Sat, 08 Sep 2018 09:19:21 +0530)
> Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 09:19:21 +0530
> From: Bingo <right.ho@gmail.com>
>
> Can we consider changing defaults only for users who don't have any init file at all ?
>
> This change may not solve many problems, due to two other features of emacs :
What problems will such a change solve?
Personally, I think that changing the behavior just because there's an
init file, even though that init file doesn't explicitly mention the
affected features, would be confusing.
More importantly, I think the argument about the defaults, at least
for veteran Emacs users matters mainly when there is no init file
anyway.
> 1. Emacs undo is frustrating for most new users. Correcting mistakes with delete-selection-mode i.e. restore
> a selection that was deleted due to a mistaken delete by typing/pasting , will need them to use undo.
>
> 2. In their attempt to play with undo/redo, they might do C-y. Which pastes in Emacs : but it is the key for redo
> in many "modern" editors. This can cause more unintended deletions in delete-selection-mode.
So I guess you are saying delete-selection-mode should not be turned
on by default? If so, why do we need the change you propose?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-09-08 7:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-09-08 3:49 delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Bingo
2018-09-08 7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2018-09-08 8:33 ` Bingo
2018-09-08 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-09 13:13 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-09 14:53 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-09 17:59 ` Ergus
2018-09-09 19:12 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-09 22:33 ` Ergus
2018-09-09 23:34 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-11 4:22 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-14 16:07 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Karl Fogel
2018-10-14 18:42 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users Stefan Monnier
2018-10-15 4:59 ` Karl Fogel
2018-10-15 6:11 ` Noel Taylor
2018-10-15 5:43 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Richard Stallman
2018-10-15 7:28 ` Van L
2018-10-16 6:44 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-17 10:09 ` Nathan Moreau
2018-10-17 10:38 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users Andreas Schwab
2018-10-18 7:23 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-17 12:00 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 14:05 ` Nathan Moreau
2018-10-17 14:20 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 14:33 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-17 16:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-18 7:23 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-15 8:26 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Yuri Khan
2018-10-16 6:44 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-16 7:22 ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-17 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-20 8:15 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-10-20 18:33 ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-10-15 7:54 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-15 9:27 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-15 12:01 ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users Óscar Fuentes
2018-10-15 13:28 ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-16 12:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-17 7:05 ` Richard Stallman
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-09-08 3:46 delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Bingo
2018-09-07 0:32 Noam Postavsky
2018-09-07 0:35 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07 6:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-07 9:40 ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-07 13:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 11:37 ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-08 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-07 15:35 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07 16:16 ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-07 19:01 ` tomas
2018-09-07 19:23 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07 20:28 ` tomas
2018-09-07 20:33 ` Noam Postavsky
2018-09-07 21:31 ` tomas
2018-09-09 13:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-09 14:22 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-09-09 15:12 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09 20:39 ` Joost Kremers
2018-09-09 22:24 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 3:08 ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-10 3:17 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 5:15 ` Bingo
2018-09-10 18:16 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-10 18:35 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-09-10 19:19 ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-10 20:36 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10 7:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-11 4:22 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-11 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-12 0:33 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-11 8:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-12 0:33 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-12 14:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-08 14:54 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09 1:23 ` Ergus
2018-09-08 17:25 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
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