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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Bingo <right.ho@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions)
Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 13:13:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180909131316.GA6047@ACM> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8336uktk4s.fsf@gnu.org>

Hello, Eli.

On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 12:26:43 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 14:03:46 +0530
> > CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> > From: Bingo <right.ho@gmail.com>

> > 1. When Emacs first starts, see if there is an init file. Various
> > modern software do so, so we would be on solid ground there.

> > 2. If so, trust the user that he would have set delete-selection-mode
> > as required.

> I'm not sure this is a valid assumption.  A user could have
> delete-selection-mode not turned on because she had no idea such a
> thing existed in Emacs.

> >  This would avoid stepping on the toes of power users : which form
> >  the majority of Emacs users.

> Please note that veteran users only care about defaults when they need
> to use Emacs on someone else's machine, or when logged on as some other
> user (like root or su).

A third situation, in which at least one veteran user (me) cares is when
testing a bug fix with emacs -Q.  In such cases, I can get fairly
irritated by, e.g., transient-mark-mode, and would get even more
irritated were delete-selection-mode to be enabled by default.

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-09 13:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-08  3:49 delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Bingo
2018-09-08  7:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08  8:33   ` Bingo
2018-09-08  9:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-09 13:13       ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2018-09-09 14:53         ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09 15:12         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-09 17:59         ` Ergus
2018-09-09 19:12           ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-09 22:33             ` Ergus
2018-09-09 23:34               ` Drew Adams
2018-09-11  4:22 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-14 16:07   ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Karl Fogel
2018-10-14 18:42     ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users Stefan Monnier
2018-10-15  4:59       ` Karl Fogel
2018-10-15  6:11         ` Noel Taylor
2018-10-15  5:43     ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Richard Stallman
2018-10-15  7:28       ` Van L
2018-10-16  6:44         ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-17 10:09           ` Nathan Moreau
2018-10-17 10:38             ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users Andreas Schwab
2018-10-18  7:23               ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-17 12:00             ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 14:05               ` Nathan Moreau
2018-10-17 14:20                 ` Garreau, Alexandre
2018-10-17 14:33               ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-17 16:06                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-10-18  7:23                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-15  8:26       ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. (WAS: delete-selection-mode as default) Yuri Khan
2018-10-16  6:44         ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-16  7:22           ` Yuri Khan
2018-10-17  7:05             ` Richard Stallman
2018-10-20  8:15           ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-10-20 18:33             ` Elias Mårtenson
2018-10-15  7:54     ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-15  9:27       ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-15 12:01       ` Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users Óscar Fuentes
2018-10-15 13:28         ` Joost Kremers
2018-10-16 12:27           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-10-17  7:05             ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2018-09-08  3:46 delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Bingo
2018-09-07  0:32 Noam Postavsky
2018-09-07  0:35 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07  6:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-07  9:40   ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-07 13:41     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 11:37       ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-08 14:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-07 15:35     ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07 16:16       ` Yuri Khan
2018-09-07 19:01   ` tomas
2018-09-07 19:23     ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07 20:28       ` tomas
2018-09-07 20:33     ` Noam Postavsky
2018-09-07 21:31       ` tomas
2018-09-09 13:45   ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-09 14:22     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-09-09 15:12     ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09 20:39   ` Joost Kremers
2018-09-09 22:24     ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10  3:08       ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-10  3:17         ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10  5:15       ` Bingo
2018-09-10 18:16       ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-10 18:35         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-09-10 19:19           ` Alan Mackenzie
2018-09-10 20:36         ` Drew Adams
2018-09-10  7:05     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-11  4:22       ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-11  7:48         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-12  0:33           ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-11  8:08         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-12  0:33           ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-12 14:07             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08  5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-08 14:54   ` Drew Adams
2018-09-09  1:23     ` Ergus
2018-09-08 17:25   ` Clément Pit-Claudel

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