From: Ben Wing <ben@666.com>
Cc: "Miles Bader" <miles@gnu.org>, "Pavel Janík" <Pavel@Janik.cz>,
"Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu>,
gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C-l while in menu?
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:42:44 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3CC68C24.20704@666.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: Pine.SUN.3.91.1020423140246.25849B-100000@is
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>On 23 Apr 2002, Miles Bader wrote:
>
>>Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
>>
>>>the fact is that things work quite well when you have only a meta key.
>>>e.g. meta+letter is an accelerator only when such a menu exists;
>>>otherwise, you get the regular binding -- and even then you can
>>>retrieve the shadowed binding with shift+meta+letter.
>>>
>>Do people really like this?
>>
>
>I don't. One ``feature'' that particularly annoys me is that, as Ben
>described, pressing Alt alone and then releasing it activates the menu
>bar. So if I press Alt and then change my mind, I need to remember to
>type ESC or something similar before I can type text again. That's a
>real dumper on fast typing.
>
this is only on for windows, and you can turn this off, of course.
>
>
>>It sounds astonishly annoying to have
>>random meta keys stolen by the menus, especially since emacs has many
>>useful and common commands on M-letter keys. E.g., doesn't the `File'
>>menu steal `M-f', the `Buffers' menu `M-b', etc.?
>>
>
>I think such a mode is inappropriate for Emacs because our menu bar can
>change dynamically as a function of what you type. So in Emacs, what
>keys will be stolen is not entirely predictable, which makes this even a
>worse idea, IMHO.
>
>I'd suggest to find a modifier other than Meta, and use that instead.
>Something like Super or Hyper, for example; we support them on Windows as
>well. For tty's, we could have some prefix key instead.
>
you guys are so X-centric in your thinking. there is no other key in
Windows, really. people *always* expect the Alt key to traverse to
menus, and it's no exception here.
as i said before [but it got purposely chopped off], most of the
shadowed keys are available elsewhere -- M-f is also Ctrl-right, M-b is
Ctrl-left, M-v [the View menu] is Next, etc. Furthermore, those
arrow/cursor-key bindings are more intuitive, and more standard, than
the old-style Emacs bindings. i designed things intentionally so they
most all work like this.
>
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[not found] <m3k7rjoamp.fsf@Janik.cz>
[not found] ` <200204072343.g37NhIC20114@aztec.santafe.edu>
2002-04-19 18:58 ` C-l while in menu? Pavel Janík
2002-04-20 17:27 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-20 21:06 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-21 11:17 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-21 13:23 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-21 14:04 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-05-08 14:38 ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-08 18:16 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-05-08 18:49 ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-10 0:29 ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-11 8:53 ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-13 14:17 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 7:46 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 8:55 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-22 10:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-22 12:59 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 17:47 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-23 2:05 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 19:47 ` Jan D.
2002-04-23 19:30 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 9:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-22 13:04 ` Ben Wing
2002-04-22 13:42 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-23 9:13 ` Ben Wing
2002-04-23 9:35 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-23 11:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 10:22 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-23 11:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:42 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 17:55 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 18:29 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-26 3:17 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 18:37 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-26 3:20 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 10:42 ` Ben Wing [this message]
2002-04-24 11:27 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-24 14:40 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-24 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 6:06 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 12:06 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-23 11:44 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 10:56 ` Ben Wing
[not found] ` <3CC68F57.4060901@666.com>
2002-04-24 11:15 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 12:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:53 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-23 14:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 10:44 ` Ben Wing
2002-04-24 15:37 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 6:06 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 8:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-25 9:13 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 10:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-26 3:18 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-26 11:14 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-25 11:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 9:32 ` Ben Wing
[not found] ` <3CC52A2F.6010704@666.com>
2002-04-23 9:51 ` Hrvoje Niksic
2002-04-23 11:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-23 19:30 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 20:22 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-24 4:12 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-25 6:07 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 7:21 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-25 7:35 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-25 12:00 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 12:21 ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-25 13:00 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 13:11 ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-25 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 14:39 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 16:19 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 20:16 ` Jason Rumney
2002-04-25 23:10 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 23:21 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-26 1:23 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-26 17:38 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-26 3:18 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 0:24 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 11:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 19:31 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 20:13 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-25 6:05 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 11:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-22 1:27 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 6:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204241307080.32219-100000@yxa.extundo.com>
2002-04-24 14:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-24 15:33 ` Kai Großjohann
[not found] ` <vaf662hjelc.fsf@INBOX.auto.emacs.devel.tok.lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-04-24 16:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-24 18:15 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 2:23 ` Hrvoje Niksic
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