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From: Pavel@Janik.cz (Pavel Janík)
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@is.elta.co.il>, Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu>,
	gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C-l while in menu?
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 16:40:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m38z7d88hw.fsf@Janik.cz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3CC68C24.20704@666.com> (Ben Wing's message of "Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:42:44 -0700")

   From: Ben Wing <ben@666.com>
   Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 03:42:44 -0700

   > you guys are so X-centric in your thinking.  there is no other key in
   > Windows, really.  people *always* expect the Alt key to traverse to menus,
   > and it's no exception here.

I agree here. People really expect Alt key (ie. Emacs' Meta) to pop-up the
menu.

   > as i said before [but it got purposely chopped off], most of the shadowed
   > keys are available elsewhere -- M-f is also Ctrl-right, M-b is Ctrl-left,
   > M-v [the View menu] is Next, etc.  Furthermore, those arrow/cursor-key
   > bindings are more intuitive, and more standard, than the old-style Emacs
   > bindings.

What is standard? How do you move backwards by words in bash? I use
M-b. I use the same in Emacs. It is standard for me. Sorry.

I think it will be very hard to tell what should be done here. New users
expect current Meta key to be the accelerator modifier. Old time users
expect current Meta key to be used as the binding for most used
operations. I do not use accelerators in any application so far, so I have
nothing more to say.
-- 
Pavel Janík

Say what you mean, simply and directly.
                  --  The Elements of Programming Style (Kernighan & Plaugher)

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-24 14:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <m3k7rjoamp.fsf@Janik.cz>
     [not found] ` <200204072343.g37NhIC20114@aztec.santafe.edu>
2002-04-19 18:58   ` C-l while in menu? Pavel Janík
2002-04-20 17:27     ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-20 21:06       ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-21 11:17         ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-21 13:23           ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-21 14:04             ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-05-08 14:38           ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-08 18:16             ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-05-08 18:49               ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-10  0:29             ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-11  8:53               ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-13 14:17                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22  7:46         ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22  8:55           ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-22 10:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-22 12:59             ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 17:47               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-23  2:05               ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 19:47             ` Jan D.
2002-04-23 19:30               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22  9:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-22 13:04             ` Ben Wing
2002-04-22 13:42               ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-23  9:13                 ` Ben Wing
2002-04-23  9:35                   ` Miles Bader
2002-04-23 11:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 10:22                       ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-23 11:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:42                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 17:55                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 18:29                           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-26  3:17                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 18:37                           ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-26  3:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 10:42                       ` Ben Wing
2002-04-24 11:27                         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 15:54                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-24 14:40                         ` Pavel Janík [this message]
2002-04-24 15:31                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25  6:06                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 12:06                     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-23 11:44                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 10:56                         ` Ben Wing
     [not found]                         ` <3CC68F57.4060901@666.com>
2002-04-24 11:15                           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 12:52                           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:53                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-23 14:11                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 10:44                       ` Ben Wing
2002-04-24 15:37                     ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25  6:06                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25  8:05                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-25  9:13                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 10:22                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-26  3:18                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-26 11:14                             ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-25 11:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23  9:32                 ` Ben Wing
     [not found]                 ` <3CC52A2F.6010704@666.com>
2002-04-23  9:51                   ` Hrvoje Niksic
2002-04-23 11:20                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-23 19:30               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 20:22                 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-24  4:12                   ` Miles Bader
2002-04-25  6:07                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25  7:21                     ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-25  7:35                       ` Miles Bader
2002-04-25 12:00                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 12:21                         ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-25 13:00                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 13:11                             ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-25 14:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 14:39                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 16:19                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 19:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 20:16                             ` Jason Rumney
2002-04-25 23:10                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 23:21                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-26  1:23                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-26 17:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-26  3:18                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23  0:24             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 11:39           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 19:31             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 20:13               ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-25  6:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 11:05                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-22  1:27     ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22  6:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204241307080.32219-100000@yxa.extundo.com>
2002-04-24 14:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-24 15:33   ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]   ` <vaf662hjelc.fsf@INBOX.auto.emacs.devel.tok.lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-04-24 16:23     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-24 18:15       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25  2:23     ` Hrvoje Niksic

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