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From: Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann)
Cc: "Ben Wing" <ben@666.com>, "Pavel Janík" <Pavel@Janik.cz>,
	"Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu/emacs@RUM.cs.yale.edu>,
	"Richard Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>,
	gerd@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: C-l while in menu?
Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2002 17:37:06 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <vaf1yd5jefx.fsf@INBOX.auto.emacs.devel.tok.lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <buo662irc44.fsf@mcspd15.ucom.lsi.nec.co.jp> (Miles Bader's message of "23 Apr 2002 18:35:39 +0900")

Miles Bader <miles@lsi.nec.co.jp> writes:

> Ben Wing <ben@666.com> writes:
>> the fact is that things work quite well when you have only a meta key.
>> e.g. meta+letter is an accelerator only when such a menu exists;
>> otherwise, you get the regular binding -- and even then you can
>> retrieve the shadowed binding with shift+meta+letter.
>
> Do people really like this?  It sounds astonishly annoying to have
> random meta keys stolen by the menus, especially since emacs has many
> useful and common commands on M-letter keys.  E.g., doesn't the `File'
> menu steal `M-f', the `Buffers' menu `M-b', etc.?

I'd have to try it to be sure, but I also think I would hate for M-f
to invoke the menu.

But a useful option might be to make it so that M-f invokes
forward-word where as <meta> f invokes the file menu.  (With this I
mean that the user presses and then releases the Meta or Alt key or
whatever this key to the left of the space bar is labeled.)  With
suitable highlighting of the menubar after doing <meta>, this might
even be intuitive enough so that people aren't surprised that they
have to hit ESC after pressing and releasing <meta> erroneously.

Thoughts?

kai
-- 
Silence is foo!

  parent reply	other threads:[~2002-04-24 15:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 93+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <m3k7rjoamp.fsf@Janik.cz>
     [not found] ` <200204072343.g37NhIC20114@aztec.santafe.edu>
2002-04-19 18:58   ` C-l while in menu? Pavel Janík
2002-04-20 17:27     ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-20 21:06       ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-21 11:17         ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-21 13:23           ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-21 14:04             ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-05-08 14:38           ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-08 18:16             ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-05-08 18:49               ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-10  0:29             ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-11  8:53               ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-13 14:17                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22  7:46         ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22  8:55           ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-22 10:03             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-22 12:59             ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 17:47               ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-23  2:05               ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 19:47             ` Jan D.
2002-04-23 19:30               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22  9:28           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-22 13:04             ` Ben Wing
2002-04-22 13:42               ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-23  9:13                 ` Ben Wing
2002-04-23  9:35                   ` Miles Bader
2002-04-23 11:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 10:22                       ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-23 11:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:42                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 17:55                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 18:29                           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-26  3:17                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 18:37                           ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-26  3:20                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 10:42                       ` Ben Wing
2002-04-24 11:27                         ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 15:54                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-24 14:40                         ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-24 15:31                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25  6:06                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 12:06                     ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-23 11:44                       ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 10:56                         ` Ben Wing
     [not found]                         ` <3CC68F57.4060901@666.com>
2002-04-24 11:15                           ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 12:52                           ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 15:43                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:53                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-23 14:11                       ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 10:44                       ` Ben Wing
2002-04-24 15:37                     ` Kai Großjohann [this message]
2002-04-25  6:06                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25  8:05                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-25  9:13                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 10:22                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-26  3:18                           ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-26 11:14                             ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-25 11:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23  9:32                 ` Ben Wing
     [not found]                 ` <3CC52A2F.6010704@666.com>
2002-04-23  9:51                   ` Hrvoje Niksic
2002-04-23 11:20                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-23 19:30               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 20:22                 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-24  4:12                   ` Miles Bader
2002-04-25  6:07                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25  7:21                     ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-25  7:35                       ` Miles Bader
2002-04-25 12:00                       ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 12:21                         ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-25 13:00                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 13:11                             ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-25 14:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 14:39                           ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 16:19                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 19:19                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 20:16                             ` Jason Rumney
2002-04-25 23:10                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 23:21                               ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-26  1:23                                 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-26 17:38                               ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-26  3:18                       ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23  0:24             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 11:39           ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 19:31             ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 20:13               ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-25  6:05                 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 11:05                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-22  1:27     ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22  6:09       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204241307080.32219-100000@yxa.extundo.com>
2002-04-24 14:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-24 15:33   ` Kai Großjohann
     [not found]   ` <vaf662hjelc.fsf@INBOX.auto.emacs.devel.tok.lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-04-24 16:23     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-24 18:15       ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25  2:23     ` Hrvoje Niksic

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