From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
Cc: Ben Wing <ben@666.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, <xemacs-design@xemacs.org>
Subject: Re: C-l while in menu?
Date: 24 Apr 2002 23:36:30 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wuuxp3ip.fsf@tleepslib.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204241307080.32219-100000@yxa.extundo.com>
>>>>> "Simon" == Simon Josefsson <jas@extundo.com> writes:
Simon> Yes, but menu accelerators doesn't seem to work by default
Simon> in XEmacs [undex unix].
They don't; you have to explicitly enable them (on a one-shot basis)
with `accelerate-menu' or (permanently) by setting the
`menu-accelerator-enabled' variable. The option was part of the
design; defaulting to off was equal parts backwards compatibility
stubbornness on my part, and my horror at having M-f turned into File
Menu when I first tried the accelerators.
Simon> IMHO the F should only be underlined if it is possible to
Simon> press Alt-F to open the File menu.
A detail. Important, but relatively easy to describe and fix.
Simon> Using M-S-f to open the File menu seems like a bad idea, as
Simon> it is a step =away= from modern UI behaviour.
That depends. In my case, it's a step =toward= it, as I want M-f to
mean forward-word. I will only use the accelerators if the
traditional bindings are still available. If I have both Alt and Meta
keys, I'll use A-f to get the file menu, and M-f to move. If I don't,
I'll arrange that the key engraved Alt generates the Meta keysym, and
use M-S-f for the accelerator.
I'd be willing to bet that "newbies" would learn this _very_ fast, as
they'll find it much easier to remember "M-S- accelerates the menu"
compared to the output of M-x wallpaper. If you want to get oldtimers
to accept accelerators at all, they had better not interfere with
muscle memory. So this seems like a reasonable compromise.
I'm not clear whether I actually _like_ M-S-f as a normal way to do
it. But I think it's less of a defect than you seem to think. There
are much uglier things in the 21.4 implementation IMHO (such as the
way Alt o t ESC ESC ESC generates an ESC keystroke, and the way ESC h
gives me the Help Menu and not `mark-paragraph').
--
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[not found] <Pine.LNX.4.44.0204241307080.32219-100000@yxa.extundo.com>
2002-04-24 14:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2002-04-24 15:33 ` C-l while in menu? Kai Großjohann
[not found] ` <vaf662hjelc.fsf@INBOX.auto.emacs.devel.tok.lucy.cs.uni-dortmund.de>
2002-04-24 16:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-24 18:15 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 2:23 ` Hrvoje Niksic
[not found] <m3k7rjoamp.fsf@Janik.cz>
[not found] ` <200204072343.g37NhIC20114@aztec.santafe.edu>
2002-04-19 18:58 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-20 17:27 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-20 21:06 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-21 11:17 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-21 13:23 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-21 14:04 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-05-08 14:38 ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-08 18:16 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-05-08 18:49 ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-10 0:29 ` Richard Stallman
2002-05-11 8:53 ` Pavel Janík
2002-05-13 14:17 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 7:46 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 8:55 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-22 10:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-22 12:59 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 17:47 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-23 2:05 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 19:47 ` Jan D.
2002-04-23 19:30 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 9:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-22 13:04 ` Ben Wing
2002-04-22 13:42 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-23 9:13 ` Ben Wing
2002-04-23 9:35 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-23 11:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 10:22 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-23 11:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:42 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 17:55 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 18:29 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-26 3:17 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 18:37 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-26 3:20 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-24 10:42 ` Ben Wing
2002-04-24 11:27 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-24 14:40 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-24 15:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 6:06 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 12:06 ` Kim F. Storm
2002-04-23 11:44 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 10:56 ` Ben Wing
[not found] ` <3CC68F57.4060901@666.com>
2002-04-24 11:15 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-24 12:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 11:53 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-23 14:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 10:44 ` Ben Wing
2002-04-24 15:37 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 6:06 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 8:05 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-25 9:13 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 10:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-26 3:18 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-26 11:14 ` Gerd Moellmann
2002-04-25 11:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 9:32 ` Ben Wing
[not found] ` <3CC52A2F.6010704@666.com>
2002-04-23 9:51 ` Hrvoje Niksic
2002-04-23 11:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2002-04-23 19:30 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 20:22 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-24 4:12 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-25 6:07 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 7:21 ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-04-25 7:35 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-25 12:00 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 12:21 ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-25 13:00 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 13:11 ` Andreas Schwab
2002-04-25 14:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 14:39 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-25 16:19 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-25 20:16 ` Jason Rumney
2002-04-25 23:10 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-25 23:21 ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-04-26 1:23 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-26 17:38 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-26 3:18 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 0:24 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 11:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 19:31 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-23 20:13 ` Pavel Janík
2002-04-25 6:05 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 11:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-22 1:27 ` Miles Bader
2002-04-22 6:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
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