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From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: TEC <tecosaur@gmail.com>, Gregory Heytings <ghe@sdf.org>,
	Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2020 18:57:23 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200909165723.kdnwicwvplmezusr@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvft7rynu7.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

On Wed, Sep 09, 2020 at 12:05:54PM -0400, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>Thanks, TEC, I found it quite useful.  Further comments and questions below.
>
>> * Org-mode, my ramp into Emacs pt.1 - vanilla
>> - I'd heard about Org-mode as a thing markdown + execution
>> - Maybe this could be better than Jupyter?
>> - However... I didn't like Spacemacs
>> - Removed Spacemacs
>> - Typed 'emacs' into a terminal
>
>So far so good.
>
>> - Oh, this looks old.
>
>Fair enough.  I don't think we (Emacs community) are in a position to
>make it look "modern" and sexy.  I know I'm not because my notion of
>"modern and sexy" is quite outmoded ;-)
>
>But "looks old" is usually not a deal breaker, just a negative
>first impression.
>
Actually spacemacs made it to look a bit more modern by just changing
some colors.

>> - Successfully opened a file
>>   + Where are the line numbers?
>
>Interesting.  It would never occur to me to expect line numbers in
>a text editor.  When and why did line numbers become fashionable?
>[ My guess is something like "ever since shortscreens became the only
>  option, creating a void in the horizontal space that needed
>  filling" ;-) ]
>
>I don't oppose enabling line numbers by default, but I do find line
>numbers to be an awful waste of valuable screen real estate.
>
I use line numbers, but instead of enabling them by default we could
make it very very accessible in the toolbar or initial config dialog.

>>   + Why aren't I given much information on the file
>
>Could you be more specific in terms of the particular information that
>you felt Emacs failed to give (and maybe how you expected it to be given)?
>
>>   + Where's the completion, the linting, etc.
>
>Do I understand you right that you expected company+eglot+flymake to be
>enabled (and configured) by default?
>
>I personally find this to be the most glaring concrete problem in
>Emacs nowadays.
>
Again we just don't need to enable them by default, but just make them
easier to config. I still find myself in the dichotomy between company
or auto-complete modes after 6 years in emacs.

flymake is good enough, but not very easy to find on the beginning, and
it still requires a lot of work. Also most of the documentation around
recommends using flycheck and actually for me it works much better in
most of the situations and languages I use.

>> - Tried to execute a command interactively (forget which command)
>>   + Typed M-x
>>   + Wait, this is just a text box
>>   + I don't know commands off by heart!
>>   + I want to be able to type key terms and see options!
>
>How much of this would be satisfied by icomplete-mode together with the
>`substring` completion-style (which would be a smaller change to
>the UI than something like helm-M-x or counsel-M-x).
>
Yes please.. If you think that icomplete/fido-mode can be improved
somehow, just make specific requests.

>> - Having an initialisation† file, well commented such that *without knowing
>>   anything about Emacs* I could have Emacs be set up such that I could
>>   actually try it with familiar tasks and not be underwhelmed, or have
>>   to deal with sudden troubleshooting
>
>Maybe we could have a "default init file" (consisting of nothing but
>commented out code snippets, accompanied by actual comments explaining
>them)?
>
This is why I have been asking for use-package integration. As a
starting point this is the easier we can provide to starters to
find/know about the different options and modes.

>>   †The important bit about this file is that it let me declare which
>>   bundles of functionality I want easily, and without having to parse
>>   much unfamiliar lisp (both Spacemacs and Vanilla fail in this regard,
>>   but in different ways).
>
>Hmm... a "default init file" would still use "unfamiliar Lisp", I'm afraid.
>
with use-packages the lisp knowledge needed to configure is
minimal. Just to understand (this detail)

>> - Having good 'discoverability enhancements' used by default
>>   - counsel for M-x
>
>IIUC this is similar to enabling icomplete-vertical and
>icomplete-show-matches-on-no-input, and maybe using a regexp
>completion style?
>
There is not icomplete-vertical yet ;).

Any way icomplete is too far to compete with counsel/ivy/swiper in
functionality and termination level.  (at the moment icomplete is Donald
Duck and counsel is James Bond).

I don't ask to add counsel to vanilla because it requires many external
optional dependencies that I would never like to see in vanilla and
retards the startup time.

>> - Used Discord for it's community, a recent chat-app which I recognised
>>   (I'm still warming up to mailing lists).
>
>Definitely a non-starter since it's proprietary.
>There are obviously acceptable alternatives.
>
>I think an important aspect is to find a communication medium that can
>be used from Emacs.  IRC and Email do satisfy this criteria.
>Whenever I have to write text outside Emacs I feel hampered.
>
>
Emacs has even a telegram client, jabber client, and IRC... so of course
any method we use to communicate must have an emacs client, a web or
desktop client and a mobile client.



>        Stefan
>
>



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-09-09 16:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 528+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-08 16:02 Changes for emacs 28 TEC
2020-09-08 17:01 ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-08 17:45   ` TEC
2020-09-08 18:15   ` TEC
2020-09-08 19:28     ` tomas
2020-09-08 20:31       ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:01         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 21:45           ` Ergus
2020-09-08 22:14             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 22:26               ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:35         ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-09 16:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-09 16:22       ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 16:45       ` TEC
2020-09-09 18:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-10 10:47           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 17:39             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:56               ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-10 18:21                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 19:48                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  5:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 21:01                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 21:21                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 21:34                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 21:36                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 22:19                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 21:46                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11  4:16                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  7:04                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-11  7:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  7:44                             ` tomas
2020-09-11 10:27                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:26                                 ` tomas
2020-09-11 15:19                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:50                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  8:41                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 10:30                                 ` tomas
2020-09-13 10:59                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 11:38                                     ` tomas
2020-09-13 12:53                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-13 15:05                                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 16:17                                         ` Ergus
2020-09-13 16:38                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 12:15                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:40                                     ` tomas
2020-09-14 18:45                                   ` chad
2020-09-15  8:12                                     ` tomas
2020-09-15 18:27                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-15 21:17                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 20:45                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 21:22                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 23:32                                         ` Alan Third
2020-09-13 14:29                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 18:05                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 18:26                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 19:17                                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 19:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:30                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:36                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13  8:45                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 19:17                           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12  3:21                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  8:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:00                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:50                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 13:23                             ` Ergus
2020-09-11 18:29                               ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:12                                 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 19:23                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 20:07                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 20:37                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-13  3:59                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 21:07                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:40                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 16:28                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 12:24                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-10 22:48                     ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12  3:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  4:07                         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  9:49                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  9:53                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-11 21:51                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 17:53                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:09                         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 21:05                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 21:40                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-12  7:54                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  6:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  9:04                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11  9:19                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 13:52                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:10                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 14:26                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 10:36                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:39                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 11:20                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  7:49                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  4:07                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 20:24                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 19:17                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 18:44                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 19:34                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  5:11                       ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  5:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  4:16                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-10 18:12             ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-09 19:28         ` tomas
2020-09-09 21:33         ` Howard Melman
2020-09-09 22:19           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 11:20         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 11:27           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 11:57             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  4:16           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:52             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  6:07               ` TEC
2020-09-12  3:21                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:21               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:13         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:14         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 16:57       ` Ergus [this message]
2020-09-09 17:08         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 17:16           ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:25         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 17:34         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-10  9:09         ` "modern" colors " Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-10 10:20           ` Ergus
2020-09-10 10:29             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-10 10:43               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 11:08               ` Ergus
2020-09-10 12:32                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 13:17                   ` Ergus
2020-09-10 13:55                     ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-10 14:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 18:40                       ` Ergus
2020-09-10 18:50                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 18:58                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 13:15                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 13:42                   ` Ergus
2020-09-11 14:13                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 14:23                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-11 14:36                       ` Iñigo Serna
2020-09-11 22:14                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12  6:25                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  9:03                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12  9:25                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 10:19                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:02                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  5:51                               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-13 14:21                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 18:40                                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-13  4:06                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 11:24                           ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-12 11:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 12:41                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:29                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 15:36                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-12 15:43                                 ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:25                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13  4:06                               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  8:53                                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  3:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14  8:08                                     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-14  9:46                                       ` Ergus
2020-09-14 15:14                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 15:48                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 15:33                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-12 10:13                         ` Iñigo Serna
2020-09-12 11:13                         ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-12 12:26                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:27                           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 14:52                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-12 15:37                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 17:02                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-12 17:26                               ` TEC
     [not found]                                 ` <87o8maj1kh.fsf@gmail.com>
2020-09-12 18:27                                   ` TEC
2020-09-12 19:57                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-13  5:53                                     ` TEC
2020-09-12 21:22                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  5:49                                     ` TEC
2020-09-15  6:54                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-16  2:49                                         ` TEC
2020-09-13  8:00                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  9:04                                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-13 10:17                                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 14:26                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-13 14:43                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 15:22                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13  9:16                                     ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-12 19:46                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 21:22                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 21:22                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  1:14                                   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-15  6:54                                     ` toggle-light-dark-mode (was: Re: "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28) Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-15 17:51                                       ` toggle-light-dark-mode Caio Henrique
2020-09-15 19:03                                         ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-15 20:10                                           ` toggle-light-dark-mode Caio Henrique
2020-09-16 19:31                                             ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 20:14                                               ` toggle-light-dark-mode Protesilaos Stavrou
2020-09-16 20:32                                                 ` toggle-light-dark-mode Juri Linkov
2020-09-16 20:59                                                 ` toggle-light-dark-mode Stefan Monnier
2020-09-17 14:34                                               ` toggle-light-dark-mode Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 17:43                             ` "modern" colors Re: Changes for emacs 28 Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 19:53                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 19:59                                 ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12 20:09                                   ` Ergus
2020-09-13  8:07                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-12 20:13                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 15:09                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 16:22                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 16:45                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 19:49                                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 20:16                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 21:43                                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13 21:45                                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13 22:18                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 22:26                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-13 21:45                                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13 22:16                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-13 22:24                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 14:44                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:45                                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-14 17:15                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 17:29                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 19:47                                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-14 20:20                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15  7:40                                                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 14:34                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15 14:50                                                             ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 15:51                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 16:01                                                                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-15 16:30                                                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-15 16:05                                                                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-15 16:30                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 16:11                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15 16:31                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-15 14:18                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 14:39                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 14:47                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 16:07                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:35                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 14:38                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14 16:46                                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-13  3:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  3:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 14:16                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-15  6:54                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-11 23:29                     ` Philip K.
2020-09-12 11:10                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-12 11:44                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:46                         ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:24                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 13:16                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 13:55                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 14:31                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13  0:17                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 14:52                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-13  0:44                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  6:26   ` TEC
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2020-09-10 23:14 ` Ergus
2020-09-11  1:38   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11  6:58     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 13:57       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:24           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 16:12               ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 16:30                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-12 18:29                   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12 20:03                     ` Ergus
2020-09-12 20:08                       ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 15:16           ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 15:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 15:36               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 15:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 16:20                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 18:24                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14  7:37                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14  7:53                         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 11:54                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 12:15                             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 13:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 15:12                           ` Andreas Schwab
2020-09-11  6:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 10:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:36         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 10:41           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 11:09             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:19               ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:32                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 12:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 12:19                 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 12:57                     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 13:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 13:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 12:15                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 21:00                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 21:17                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 22:29                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  2:01                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 12:59                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13  3:57                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  9:49                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-13 14:30                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 17:36                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 17:43                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 10:24                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14  3:51                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14 17:43                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14 18:01                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15  4:43                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-15 11:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-16  5:05                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 11:59                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:37                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13 14:02                                   ` T.V Raman
2020-09-11 23:02                             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12  6:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 11:51                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  3:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 11:36                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:42                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:37                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 16:46                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:56                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 12:21                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  3:21             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:59       ` Ergus
2020-09-11 11:17         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13  8:36           ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 10:15     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 10:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:02         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 14:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:47           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 21:29             ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12  3:22               ` Ergus
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2020-09-12  9:38                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12  9:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
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2020-09-12 14:28   ` Achilles Yuce
2020-09-12 14:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found] <<20200906133719.cu6yaldvenxubcqq.ref@Ergus>
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2020-09-08 11:01 Boruch Baum
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2020-09-07 10:11 ` Ergus
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2020-09-06 13:37 ` Ergus
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2020-09-09 18:35       ` Tim Van den Langenbergh
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2020-09-06 20:49     ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
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2020-09-06 16:34     ` Ergus
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2020-09-09 18:33                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-06 21:51           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 22:01             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found]               ` <J5037qlQU1lUXaS3RFoxh0fHjlW1RtXM6rRWSe9JEV4v5QZwePbZ4HbfYworbqep-qtRPuJeHK5NxczkWcDGnA==@protonmail.internalid>
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2020-09-07 16:43                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
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2020-09-11  4:13                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  9:18                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-10  1:48                     ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-09-09 16:01                   ` Ergus
2020-09-10  3:55                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09 17:01                   ` Philip K.
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  7:32                       ` Ihor Radchenko
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2020-09-11 10:55                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-11 11:13                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:12                             ` Philip K.
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2020-09-11 12:42                               ` Ergus
2020-09-11 15:59                                 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-09-12  3:21                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  8:00                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  4:07                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:52                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 11:52                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 12:11                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 12:15                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 13:24                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-09 16:15                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 12:00                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 12:26                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 12:52                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 13:04                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 13:39                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 14:16                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 14:51                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 14:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 14:56                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 15:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 15:28                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 18:22                             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:46                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:51                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2020-09-09 16:23                     ` Drew Adams
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2020-09-10 18:15                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10  2:38                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07 13:58           ` Yoni Rabkin
2020-09-07 14:25             ` Ergus
2020-09-07 15:19               ` Yoni Rabkin
2020-09-07 16:31                 ` Ergus
2020-09-08  8:34               ` Mario Lang
2020-09-08  2:57             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08  4:13               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08  4:53                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08  5:33                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08  7:26                     ` tomas
2020-09-08 15:50                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09  4:19                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09 14:35                         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-09 15:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-09 15:39                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-09 16:01                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-10 11:32                             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-09-10 11:42                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09  3:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  5:38                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-10  2:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08 10:21               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-09  3:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07  8:58       ` João Távora
2020-09-08  2:59         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08  3:33           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08 11:13           ` João Távora
2020-09-08 11:45             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-09  3:44             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-06 15:06   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-06 16:35     ` Ergus
2020-09-06 16:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-06 17:14         ` Ergus
2020-09-06 18:11           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 19:05             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-06 21:52               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08  8:25   ` Mario Lang
2020-09-08 14:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 14:51       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08 15:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 15:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08 15:30         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 16:56           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08 22:06       ` Dmitry Gutov
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2020-09-09 18:21       ` Howard Melman
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