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From: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
To: Gregory Heytings <ghe@sdf.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2020 17:54:47 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200907155447.b675o4idci5dpxxo@Ergus> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.NEB.2.22.394.2009071726430453.27953@sdf.lonestar.org>

On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 03:37:58PM +0000, Gregory Heytings wrote:
>
>>>>The defaults of emacs are really, really bad. And making the 
>>>>whole thing like what you get with DOOM Emacs is going to cost 
>>>>you lots of hours reading documentation and experimenting with 
>>>>your configuration.
>>>
>>>That's just wrong.  If you want Doom Emacs, you just have to type 
>>>two commands:
>>>
>>>git clone --depth 1 https://github.com/hlissner/doom-emacs ~/.emacs.d
>>>
>>>~/.emacs.d/bin/doom install
>>>
>>>The first commands takes two seconds to complete, the second one 
>>>about five minutes (it downloads and compiles about 200 MB of 
>>>code, fonts, icons, ...).  Then you start Emacs, and you're done.  
>>>That's clearly not "lots of hours".
>>
>>I think it refers to convert vanilla emacs in a "doomed like" 
>>experience.
>>

Sorry, you don't get the point and I don't waste more time on this.

>
>I don't understand.  The two commands above do exactly that.
>
>Or does "convert vanilla emacs in a "doomed like" experience" means 
>"without using Doom Emacs, by doing everything by oneself"?  In that 
>case it's not wrong, it is ridiculous.  Almost as ridiculous as if he 
>had written "it would have taken me more time to develop Emacs by 
>myself than to develop Visual Studio by myself".
>
If a software we develop require a complex layer like doom (which could
be seen as a big set of patches) to be "attractive" for many users. But
also if there are many layer many of them doing the similar changes
again and again. Yes our software is missing something.

>BTW, I find that many of the defaults of Visual Studio are really bad, 
>and I'm pretty sure that making the whole thing like what you get with 
>vanilla Emacs would cost me lots of hours.  Can I conclude something 
>from this? Clearly not.

There is not such a thing like the "perfect" default. But we can learn
some things from similar newer software around. Sometimes the feeling is
that we don't change things not because they are fine, but because we
are used to how they are and we reject anything that other editors are
doing just because they are not us (the opposite is also an error;
trying to do everything the others are doing).

Any way there is a sort of consensus about the profiles No more
discussion is needed.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-07 15:54 UTC|newest]

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2020-09-06 13:37 ` Changes for emacs 28 Ergus
2020-09-06 14:44   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 15:00     ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-09-06 15:43       ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-09-06 17:07       ` Ergus
2020-09-06 18:11         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 18:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07  2:17           ` chad
2020-09-07 18:16             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 18:35       ` Tim Van den Langenbergh
2020-09-09 20:47         ` Ergus
2020-09-06 20:49     ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-06 22:20       ` Ergus
2020-09-07  2:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-07  5:57         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08  2:55           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07  6:54         ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07  7:37         ` tomas
2020-09-08  0:50           ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-09-08  7:40             ` tomas
2020-09-07 13:02       ` Bastien
2020-09-06 14:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-06 16:34     ` Ergus
2020-09-06 18:22       ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-06 19:32       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 20:38         ` Ergus
2020-09-06 21:30           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07  8:38             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-07  9:37               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07 10:14                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-07 10:28                   ` Joost Kremers
2020-09-07 18:07               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 18:33                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-06 21:51           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 22:01             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2020-09-06 22:32               ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-07  2:12                 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-09-07 10:13                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07 12:44                     ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-09-07 13:23                       ` Eric S Fraga
2020-09-06 22:37               ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-07  0:10               ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-09-07  1:22               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-07 10:26                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07  2:33               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-07 12:31                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07 12:45                   ` tomas
2020-09-07 13:05                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07 14:03                     ` Ergus
2020-09-07 14:45                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08  2:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07 15:37                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07 15:54                         ` Ergus [this message]
2020-09-07 16:43                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-07 21:04                     ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-09-07 22:07                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-08  9:43                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-08  2:58                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07  7:46               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 11:22               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 15:04                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-09 15:44                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 16:19                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-09 17:30                       ` Ergus
2020-09-11  4:13                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  9:18                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-10  1:48                     ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-09-09 16:01                   ` Ergus
2020-09-10  3:55                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09 17:01                   ` Philip K.
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  7:32                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-11 10:36                       ` Ergus
2020-09-11 10:55                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-11 11:13                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:12                             ` Philip K.
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2020-09-11 12:42                               ` Ergus
2020-09-11 15:59                                 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-09-12  3:21                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  8:00                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  4:07                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:52                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 11:52                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 12:11                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 12:15                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 13:24                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-09 16:15                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 12:00                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 12:26                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 12:52                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 13:04                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 13:39                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 14:16                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 14:51                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 14:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 14:56                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 15:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 15:28                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 18:22                             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:46                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:51                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2020-09-09 16:23                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 18:36                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10 18:15                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10  2:38                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07 13:58           ` Yoni Rabkin
2020-09-07 14:25             ` Ergus
2020-09-07 15:19               ` Yoni Rabkin
2020-09-07 16:31                 ` Ergus
2020-09-08  8:34               ` Mario Lang
2020-09-08  2:57             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08  4:13               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08  4:53                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08  5:33                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08  7:26                     ` tomas
2020-09-08 15:50                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09  4:19                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09 14:35                         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-09 15:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-09 15:39                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-09 16:01                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-10 11:32                             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-09-10 11:42                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08  9:17                 ` Tramp defaults (was: Changes for emacs 28) Michael Albinus
2020-09-08 11:08                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08 15:50                     ` Tramp defaults Michael Albinus
2020-09-09  3:44                 ` Changes for emacs 28 Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  5:38                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-10  2:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08 10:21               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-09  3:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07  8:58       ` João Távora
2020-09-08  2:59         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08  3:33           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08  3:54             ` joke (was: Changes for emacs 28) andres.ramirez
2020-09-08  7:28               ` tomas
2020-09-08  8:00                 ` joke Ulrich Mueller
2020-09-08  8:06                   ` joke tomas
2020-09-09  3:44               ` joke (was: Changes for emacs 28) Richard Stallman
2020-09-08 11:13           ` Changes for emacs 28 João Távora
2020-09-08 11:45             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-09  3:44             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-06 15:06   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-06 16:35     ` Ergus
2020-09-06 16:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-06 17:14         ` Ergus
2020-09-06 18:11           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 19:05             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-06 21:52               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-07  8:48   ` Changes for emacs 28 - ibuffer the default buffer-listing thing João Távora
2020-09-08  8:25   ` Changes for emacs 28 Mario Lang
2020-09-08 14:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 14:51       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08 15:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 15:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08 15:30         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 16:56           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08 22:06       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 14:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 19:16           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 18:21       ` Howard Melman
2020-09-09  3:44     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 17:14   ` Philip K.
2020-09-10  9:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10  9:57       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 15:08       ` Philip K.
2020-09-10 15:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  7:50   ` Tassilo Horn
2020-09-11 15:44     ` Philip K.
2020-09-07  9:31 Boruch Baum
2020-09-07 10:11 ` Ergus
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-09-08 10:49 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 11:01 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 11:52 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 12:50 ` João Távora
2020-09-08 15:57   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08 14:42 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-08 13:08 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 16:02 TEC
2020-09-08 17:01 ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-08 17:45   ` TEC
2020-09-08 18:15   ` TEC
2020-09-08 19:28     ` tomas
2020-09-08 20:31       ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:01         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 21:45           ` Ergus
2020-09-08 22:14             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 22:26               ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:35         ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-09 16:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-09 16:22       ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 16:45       ` TEC
2020-09-09 18:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-10 10:47           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 17:39             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:56               ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-10 18:21                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 19:48                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  5:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 21:01                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 21:21                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 21:34                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 21:36                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 22:19                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 21:46                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11  4:16                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  7:04                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-11  7:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  7:44                             ` tomas
2020-09-11 10:27                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:26                                 ` tomas
2020-09-11 15:19                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:50                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  8:41                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 10:30                                 ` tomas
2020-09-13 10:59                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 11:38                                     ` tomas
2020-09-13 12:53                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-13 15:05                                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 16:17                                         ` Ergus
2020-09-13 16:38                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 12:15                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:40                                     ` tomas
2020-09-14 18:45                                   ` chad
2020-09-15  8:12                                     ` tomas
2020-09-15 18:27                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-15 21:17                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 20:45                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 21:22                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 23:32                                         ` Alan Third
2020-09-13 14:29                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 18:05                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 18:26                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 19:17                                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 19:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:30                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:36                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13  8:45                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 19:17                           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12  3:21                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  8:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:00                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:50                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 13:23                             ` Ergus
2020-09-11 18:29                               ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:12                                 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 19:23                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 20:07                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 20:37                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-13  3:59                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 21:07                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:40                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 16:28                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 12:24                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-10 22:48                     ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12  3:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  4:07                         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  9:49                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  9:53                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-11 21:51                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 17:53                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:09                         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 21:05                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 21:40                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-12  7:54                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  6:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  9:04                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11  9:19                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 13:52                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:10                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 14:26                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 10:36                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:39                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 11:20                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  7:49                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  4:07                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 20:24                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 19:17                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 18:44                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 19:34                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  5:11                       ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  5:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  4:16                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-10 18:12             ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-09 19:28         ` tomas
2020-09-09 21:33         ` Howard Melman
2020-09-09 22:19           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 11:20         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 11:27           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 11:57             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  4:16           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:52             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  6:07               ` TEC
2020-09-12  3:21                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:21               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:13         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:14         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 16:57       ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:08         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 17:16           ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:25         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 17:34         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-09  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  6:26   ` TEC
2020-09-09 15:43     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
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2020-09-10 23:14 ` Ergus
2020-09-11  1:38   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11  6:58     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 13:57       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:24           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 16:12               ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 16:30                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-12 18:29                   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12 20:03                     ` Ergus
2020-09-12 20:08                       ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 15:16           ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 15:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 15:36               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 15:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 16:20                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 18:24                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14  7:37                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14  7:53                         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 11:54                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 12:15                             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 13:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 15:12                           ` Andreas Schwab
2020-09-11  6:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 10:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:36         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 10:41           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 11:09             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:19               ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:32                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 12:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 12:19                 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 12:57                     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 13:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 13:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 12:15                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 21:00                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 21:17                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 22:29                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  2:01                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 12:59                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13  3:57                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  9:49                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-13 14:30                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 17:36                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 17:43                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 10:24                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14  3:51                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14 17:43                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14 18:01                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15  4:43                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-15 11:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-16  5:05                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 11:59                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:37                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13 14:02                                   ` T.V Raman
2020-09-11 23:02                             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12  6:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 11:51                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  3:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 11:36                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:42                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:37                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 16:46                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:56                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 12:21                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  3:21             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:59       ` Ergus
2020-09-11 11:17         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13  8:36           ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 10:15     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 10:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:02         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 14:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:47           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 21:29             ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12  3:22               ` Ergus
2020-09-12  6:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  8:27                   ` Ergus
2020-09-12  8:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  9:38                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12  9:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  3:20   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:28     ` Ergus
2020-09-13  4:07       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 10:47         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14  3:51           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 14:28   ` Achilles Yuce
2020-09-12 14:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13  4:37 arthur miller
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