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From: ams@gnu.org (Alfred M. Szmidt)
To: Ergus <spacibba@aol.com>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28
Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 15:32:02 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1kF0OQ-00068P-8s@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200906163418.3p2wuygb4osm76wa@Ergus> (message from Ergus on Sun, 6 Sep 2020 18:34:18 +0200)

   Sorry but I can't understand why "old" users, that can write lisp lines
   easily to their configs, can't understand that for new users (and
   younger ones) those lines sometimes takes hours or days (mainly because
   they don't know what/where/how to look for, and lisp is not so
   popular or familiar these days). And that the first impression when they
   open emacs is like going back to 1998. 

I think you need to make a stronger case as to why a user would spend,
from day one, several hours or days to configure Emacs to be able to
use it -- such an story would be very interesting to read to learn and
understand what could be improved.  The list you suggested would
barley have any impact on the experience of new users, but would have
a large impact on people who have been using emacs for a long time.

We can turn the argument around as well, as users become more
experienced they will add more of the "experienced" defaults to their
configuration files -- making it a general waste of time trying to
find those good defaults for experienced users, having to possibly
reinvent the wheel over and over again.

What new users will want is more or less from my experience the same
as what experienced users expect to see, to open and edit files, have
navigation or auto-popup-completion -- both which I think would be
nice to see as standard for common modes (not just programming, and
working as well as emacs-lisp-mode and eldoc-mode).  They will
probobly want to have some sort of WYSIWYG feature for writting notes.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-09-06 19:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 404+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2020-09-06 13:37 ` Changes for emacs 28 Ergus
2020-09-06 14:44   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 15:00     ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-09-06 15:43       ` Óscar Fuentes
2020-09-06 17:07       ` Ergus
2020-09-06 18:11         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 18:32         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-07  2:17           ` chad
2020-09-07 18:16             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 18:35       ` Tim Van den Langenbergh
2020-09-09 20:47         ` Ergus
2020-09-06 20:49     ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-06 22:20       ` Ergus
2020-09-07  2:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-07  5:57         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-08  2:55           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07  6:54         ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07  7:37         ` tomas
2020-09-08  0:50           ` Elias Mårtenson
2020-09-08  7:40             ` tomas
2020-09-07 13:02       ` Bastien
2020-09-06 14:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-06 16:34     ` Ergus
2020-09-06 18:22       ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-06 19:32       ` Alfred M. Szmidt [this message]
2020-09-06 20:38         ` Ergus
2020-09-06 21:30           ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07  8:38             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-07  9:37               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07 10:14                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-07 10:28                   ` Joost Kremers
2020-09-07 18:07               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 18:33                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-06 21:51           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 22:01             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2020-09-06 22:32               ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-07  2:12                 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-09-07 10:13                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07 12:44                     ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-09-07 13:23                       ` Eric S Fraga
2020-09-06 22:37               ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-07  0:10               ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-09-07  1:22               ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-07 10:26                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07  2:33               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-07 12:31                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-07 12:45                   ` tomas
2020-09-07 13:05                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07 14:03                     ` Ergus
2020-09-07 14:45                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08  2:57                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07 15:37                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-07 15:54                         ` Ergus
2020-09-07 16:43                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-07 21:04                     ` Eduardo Ochs
2020-09-07 22:07                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-08  9:43                         ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-08  2:58                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07  7:46               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 11:22               ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 15:04                 ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-09 15:44                   ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 16:19                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-09 17:30                       ` Ergus
2020-09-11  4:13                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  9:18                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-10  1:48                     ` Pankaj Jangid
2020-09-09 16:01                   ` Ergus
2020-09-10  3:55                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09 17:01                   ` Philip K.
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  7:32                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-11 10:36                       ` Ergus
2020-09-11 10:55                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-11 11:13                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:12                             ` Philip K.
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2020-09-11 12:42                               ` Ergus
2020-09-11 15:59                                 ` Jose A. Ortega Ruiz
2020-09-12  3:21                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  8:00                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  4:07                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:52                       ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 11:52                         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 12:11                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 12:15                             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-12 13:24                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-09 16:15                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 12:00                   ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 12:26                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 12:52                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 13:04                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 13:39                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 14:16                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 14:51                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 14:32                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 14:56                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 15:03                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 15:28                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-10 18:22                             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:46                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:51                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
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2020-09-09 16:23                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 18:36                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10 18:15                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-10  2:38                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07 13:58           ` Yoni Rabkin
2020-09-07 14:25             ` Ergus
2020-09-07 15:19               ` Yoni Rabkin
2020-09-07 16:31                 ` Ergus
2020-09-08  8:34               ` Mario Lang
2020-09-08  2:57             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08  4:13               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08  4:53                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08  5:33                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08  7:26                     ` tomas
2020-09-08 15:50                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09  4:19                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-09 14:35                         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-09 15:20                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-09 15:39                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-09 16:01                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-10 11:32                             ` Eric S Fraga
2020-09-10 11:42                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08  9:17                 ` Tramp defaults (was: Changes for emacs 28) Michael Albinus
2020-09-08 11:08                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-08 15:50                     ` Tramp defaults Michael Albinus
2020-09-09  3:44                 ` Changes for emacs 28 Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  5:38                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2020-09-10  2:41                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08 10:21               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-09  3:44                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-07  8:58       ` João Távora
2020-09-08  2:59         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-08  3:33           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08  3:54             ` joke (was: Changes for emacs 28) andres.ramirez
2020-09-08  7:28               ` tomas
2020-09-08  8:00                 ` joke Ulrich Mueller
2020-09-08  8:06                   ` joke tomas
2020-09-09  3:44               ` joke (was: Changes for emacs 28) Richard Stallman
2020-09-08 11:13           ` Changes for emacs 28 João Távora
2020-09-08 11:45             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-09  3:44             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-06 15:06   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-06 16:35     ` Ergus
2020-09-06 16:54       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-06 17:14         ` Ergus
2020-09-06 18:11           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-06 19:05             ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-06 21:52               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-07  8:48   ` Changes for emacs 28 - ibuffer the default buffer-listing thing João Távora
2020-09-08  8:25   ` Changes for emacs 28 Mario Lang
2020-09-08 14:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 14:51       ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08 15:22         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-08 15:30           ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-08 15:30         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 16:56           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08 22:06       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 14:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 19:16           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-09 18:21       ` Howard Melman
2020-09-09  3:44     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 17:14   ` Philip K.
2020-09-10  9:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10  9:57       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 15:08       ` Philip K.
2020-09-10 15:21         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  7:50   ` Tassilo Horn
2020-09-11 15:44     ` Philip K.
2020-09-07  9:31 Boruch Baum
2020-09-07 10:11 ` Ergus
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2020-09-08 10:49 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 11:01 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 11:52 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 12:50 ` João Távora
2020-09-08 15:57   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-08 14:42 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-08 13:08 Boruch Baum
2020-09-08 16:02 TEC
2020-09-08 17:01 ` Yuan Fu
2020-09-08 17:45   ` TEC
2020-09-08 18:15   ` TEC
2020-09-08 19:28     ` tomas
2020-09-08 20:31       ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:01         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 21:45           ` Ergus
2020-09-08 22:14             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-08 22:26               ` Ergus
2020-09-08 21:35         ` Daniel Martín
2020-09-09 16:05     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-09 16:22       ` T.V Raman
2020-09-09 16:45       ` TEC
2020-09-09 18:35         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-10 10:47           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 17:39             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 17:56               ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-10 18:21                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 19:48                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  5:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-10 21:01                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 21:21                     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 21:34                       ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 21:36                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-10 22:19                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 21:46                       ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11  4:16                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  7:04                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-11  7:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  7:44                             ` tomas
2020-09-11 10:27                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:26                                 ` tomas
2020-09-11 15:19                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:50                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  8:41                               ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 10:30                                 ` tomas
2020-09-13 10:59                                   ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 11:38                                     ` tomas
2020-09-13 12:53                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-13 15:05                                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 16:17                                         ` Ergus
2020-09-13 16:38                                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13 12:15                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:40                                     ` tomas
2020-09-14 18:45                                   ` chad
2020-09-15  8:12                                     ` tomas
2020-09-15 18:27                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-15 21:17                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 20:45                                       ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-15 21:22                                         ` tomas
2020-09-15 23:32                                         ` Alan Third
2020-09-13 14:29                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 18:05                                   ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 18:26                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 19:17                                       ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-13 19:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:30                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:36                               ` Ergus
2020-09-13  8:45                                 ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 19:17                           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12  3:21                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  8:59                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:00                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 12:50                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 13:23                             ` Ergus
2020-09-11 18:29                               ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:12                                 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 19:23                                   ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 20:07                                     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 20:37                                       ` Drew Adams
2020-09-13  3:59                                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 21:07                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:40                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12 16:28                                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12 12:24                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-10 22:48                     ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12  3:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  4:07                         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  9:49                       ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  9:53                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2020-09-11 21:51                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 17:53                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-11 19:09                         ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-11 21:05                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 21:40                             ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-12  7:54                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11  6:01                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  9:04                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11  9:19                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 13:52                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:10                             ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-11 14:26                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 10:36                         ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 10:39                           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-11 11:20                             ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-12  3:21                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  7:49                               ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-13  4:07                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 20:24                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 19:17                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 18:44                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 19:34                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  4:16                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  5:11                       ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-11  5:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11  4:16                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-10 18:12             ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-09 19:28         ` tomas
2020-09-09 21:33         ` Howard Melman
2020-09-09 22:19           ` Drew Adams
2020-09-10 11:20         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-10 11:27           ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
2020-09-10 11:57             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  4:16           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:52             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-09-11  6:07               ` TEC
2020-09-12  3:21                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:21               ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:13         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11  4:14         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09 16:57       ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:08         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-09 17:16           ` Ergus
2020-09-09 17:25         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-09 17:34         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-09  3:46 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-09  6:26   ` TEC
2020-09-09 15:43     ` Göktuğ Kayaalp
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2020-09-10 23:14 ` Ergus
2020-09-11  1:38   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11  6:58     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 13:57       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:04         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:24           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-11 14:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 16:12               ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 16:30                 ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-12 18:29                   ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12 20:03                     ` Ergus
2020-09-12 20:08                       ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 15:16           ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 15:21             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 15:36               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 15:49                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 16:20                   ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-11 18:24                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-14  7:37                       ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14  7:53                         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 11:54                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-09-14 12:15                             ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-14 13:18                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-14 15:12                           ` Andreas Schwab
2020-09-11  6:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 10:33       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 10:36         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 10:41           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 11:09             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 11:19               ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:32                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 12:04               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 12:19                 ` Ergus
2020-09-11 12:35                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 12:57                     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 13:04                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 13:13                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 12:15                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-11 21:00                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 21:17                           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 22:29                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  2:01                               ` Ergus
2020-09-12 12:59                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13  3:57                                 ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13  9:49                                   ` Yuri Khan
2020-09-13 14:30                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 17:36                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13 17:43                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-13 10:24                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14  3:51                                     ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-14 17:43                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14 18:01                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-15  4:43                                         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-15 11:16                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-16  5:05                                             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 11:59                                   ` Arthur Miller
2020-09-13 12:37                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-13 14:02                                   ` T.V Raman
2020-09-11 23:02                             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-12  6:12                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12 11:51                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  3:21                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 11:36                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 12:42                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:37                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12 16:46                           ` Ergus
2020-09-12 16:56                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-11 12:21                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-12  3:21             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-11 10:59       ` Ergus
2020-09-11 11:17         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-13  8:36           ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-11 10:15     ` Ergus
2020-09-11 10:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:02         ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-11 14:16           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-11 14:47           ` Ergus
2020-09-11 21:29             ` Caio Henrique
2020-09-12  3:22               ` Ergus
2020-09-12  6:30                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  8:27                   ` Ergus
2020-09-12  8:38                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  9:38                       ` Ergus
2020-09-12  9:57                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-12  3:20   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12  3:28     ` Ergus
2020-09-13  4:07       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-13 10:47         ` Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-14  3:51           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-12 14:28   ` Achilles Yuce
2020-09-12 14:38     ` Eli Zaretskii
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