From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Alan Mackenzie Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: delete-selection-mode as default (WAS: Some developement questions) Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 13:13:16 +0000 Message-ID: <20180909131316.GA6047@ACM> References: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> <834lf0tptp.fsf@gnu.org> <41DF4279-89F4-413A-B3BC-63E9E9E98772@gmail.com> <8336uktk4s.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1536498932 29174 195.159.176.226 (9 Sep 2018 13:15:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2018 13:15:32 +0000 (UTC) User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Cc: Bingo , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 09 15:15:28 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fyzYm-0007Wi-Cg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 15:15:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47376 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyzas-00013W-4w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 09:17:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:46846) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyzZf-000110-Pd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 09:16:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyzYg-0005TX-J3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 09:15:26 -0400 Original-Received: from colin.muc.de ([193.149.48.1]:16342 helo=mail.muc.de) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fyzYg-0005Ow-7Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 09:15:22 -0400 Original-Received: (qmail 15224 invoked by uid 3782); 9 Sep 2018 13:15:19 -0000 Original-Received: from acm.muc.de (p5B147DDC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.20.125.220]) by colin.muc.de (tmda-ofmipd) with ESMTP; Sun, 09 Sep 2018 15:15:19 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail 6077 invoked by uid 1000); 9 Sep 2018 13:13:16 -0000 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8336uktk4s.fsf@gnu.org> X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/1.1.12 (Macallan) X-Primary-Address: acm@muc.de X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: FreeBSD 9.x [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 193.149.48.1 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:229553 Archived-At: Hello, Eli. On Sat, Sep 08, 2018 at 12:26:43 +0300, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2018 14:03:46 +0530 > > CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > From: Bingo > > 1. When Emacs first starts, see if there is an init file. Various > > modern software do so, so we would be on solid ground there. > > 2. If so, trust the user that he would have set delete-selection-mode > > as required. > I'm not sure this is a valid assumption. A user could have > delete-selection-mode not turned on because she had no idea such a > thing existed in Emacs. > > This would avoid stepping on the toes of power users : which form > > the majority of Emacs users. > Please note that veteran users only care about defaults when they need > to use Emacs on someone else's machine, or when logged on as some other > user (like root or su). A third situation, in which at least one veteran user (me) cares is when testing a bug fix with emacs -Q. In such cases, I can get fairly irritated by, e.g., transient-mark-mode, and would get even more irritated were delete-selection-mode to be enabled by default. -- Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).