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From: Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: windows-1251 language environment
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 17:50:19 +0900 (JST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200310280850.RAA05963@etlken.m17n.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87ekx0dne0.fsf@emacswiki.org> (message from Alex Schroeder on Sun, 26 Oct 2003 16:33:43 +0100)

In article <87ekx0dne0.fsf@emacswiki.org>, Alex Schroeder <alex@emacswiki.org> writes:

> Dave Love <d.love@dl.ac.uk> writes:
>>  The trouble with `language' environments is that they have little to
>>  do with the language per se.  If you're not going by system defaults
>>  (locales), I think you want to provide orthogonal customization of
>>  language, codeset, and other features.  If you lump them all together,
>>  you'll have probably four for each Western European language: latin-1,
>>  latin-9, windows-1252 and utf-8.  Then multiply by two or three for
>>  the possible input methods.  Then the calendar is different in
>>  territories with the same language...

> I agree with Dave Love.  Take Switzerland as an example, and let us
> only talk about German and French, excluding Italian and
> Rhaeto-Romance.  We speak German, but we use a different ispell
> dictionary because instead of a sharp s we use double-s, and we use
> our own keyboard layout.  We use any of the four coding systems Dave
> lists.  We use a different date format (last time I checked).  The
> French speaking Swiss use the French ispell dictionary, but they, too,
> have a different keyboard layout.

> The language per se is not enough information.

That's why I didn't simply use the term "language" but used
"language environment".  I agree that it's ridiculous to
provide all possible combinations in advance.  But, I think
there should be a way to name a set of various orthogonal
customizations so that a user can easily switch from one set
to another by specifying a name.  I think we should treat a
"language environment" as something like a `theme' which is
a collection of customizations of faces.

---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org

  reply	other threads:[~2003-10-28  8:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2003-10-07  2:54       ` windows-1251 language environment Kenichi Handa
2003-10-07 11:56         ` Anton Zinoviev
2003-10-12 15:45           ` Dave Love
2003-10-17 12:49             ` Anton Zinoviev
2003-10-17 13:22               ` Terje Rosten
2003-10-17 14:36                 ` Anton Zinoviev
2003-10-17 16:58                   ` Terje Rosten
2003-10-21 22:38               ` Dave Love
2003-10-23  9:23                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-24 17:07                 ` Anton Zinoviev
2003-10-08  4:51         ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-08 10:40           ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-09 14:44             ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-12 15:40               ` Dave Love
2003-10-13 23:50               ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-14 19:31                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-15 13:44                   ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-15 14:55                     ` Stefan Monnier
2003-10-16  9:16                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-10-16 16:44                         ` Stefan Monnier
2003-10-17  6:10                           ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-10-21 22:48                           ` Dave Love
2003-10-20 19:47                       ` Dave Love
2003-10-16 14:06                     ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-28  8:51                       ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-10 17:11         ` Dave Love
2003-10-10 17:42           ` Stefan Monnier
2003-10-12 17:21             ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-14 22:24               ` Dave Love
2003-10-15 20:00                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-20 19:50                   ` Dave Love
2003-10-22  9:24                     ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-25 16:10                       ` Dave Love
2003-10-26 15:33                         ` Alex Schroeder
2003-10-28  8:50                           ` Kenichi Handa [this message]
2003-10-27  7:02                         ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-28 12:35                           ` Dave Love
2003-10-29 19:01                             ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-15 22:27                 ` Jason Rumney
2003-10-16 16:16                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-10-16 16:38                     ` Jason Rumney
2003-10-14  0:44             ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-14 19:31               ` Richard Stallman
2003-10-14 22:33             ` Dave Love
2003-10-13 12:46           ` Dave Love
2003-10-14  0:37           ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-15 14:38             ` Dave Love

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