From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
Cc: Alan Third <alan@idiocy.org>,
"1305@debbugs.gnu.org" <1305@debbugs.gnu.org>,
Michael Welsh Duggan <mwd@md5i.com>,
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
"jasonspiro4@gmail.com" <jasonspiro4@gmail.com>,
Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Subject: bug#1305: [External] : bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2021 22:03:43 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <SA2PR10MB44743BB9A146B476789D091BF3479@SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwva6prlfo9.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
> I proposed the mode-line as an alternative for those who don't like the
> current GNU/Linux flash, because it's one of the very few elements
> which are displayed in almost 100% of the cases. We could flash the echoarea
> instead, but I think it's a bit more delicate to implement and it could
> get in the way of reading the actual error message.
As mentioned, I use `echo-bell.el'. It flashes a
message at the far right of the echo area.
By default the message is " ♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪", it's shown for
0.2 sec, and the echo-area background is highlighted
with "Aquamarine" for that time period.
That flash is as perceptible or imperceptible as a
user wants it to be. Far from hiding error messages,
it makes them more visible (IMO), by briefly drawing
attention to the echo area.
This is very simple. Just uses `ring-bell-function'.
Remove the highlighting, and that right-edge message
might not even be very noticeable. But it's there,
and you can find it in `*Messages*', which is more than
can be said for mode-line fiddles -- IMO, presence in
`*Messages*' is a feature. And for those modernistas
who remove the mode-line everywhere...
It sounds to me like the proposals discussed so far
complicate things for users, rather than simplifying
them. But maybe it's just the discussion that's overly
complicated, not the actual proposals? Is there really
something that needs "fixing" here?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-04-21 22:03 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 176+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-09 1:50 bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Jason Spiro
2008-11-09 2:00 ` Processed: " Emacs bug Tracking System
2008-11-09 3:57 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Drew Adams
2008-11-09 4:08 ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-09 19:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-09 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-09 19:19 ` Drew Adams
2008-11-09 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-10 2:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10 6:28 ` Drew Adams
2008-11-11 21:20 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should usevisual bellinstead Drew Adams
2008-11-10 8:34 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Lennart Borgman
2008-11-10 15:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10 16:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2008-11-11 18:38 ` Jason A. Spiro
2008-11-10 22:17 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-11 18:50 ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-12 3:33 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-13 7:41 ` Jason Spiro
2021-04-17 6:06 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 7:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 11:54 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 12:31 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 12:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 12:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 13:07 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 13:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 13:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 13:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 14:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 14:08 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 10:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 12:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 13:32 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 15:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:42 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 19:17 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-04-17 17:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-17 20:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 21:09 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-04-17 21:17 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 21:52 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-04-17 22:04 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 23:30 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-18 10:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 12:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 12:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 13:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 13:15 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 15:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 15:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 12:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 13:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 13:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 18:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 20:06 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 13:30 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:02 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 18:02 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 18:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 18:45 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 19:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 19:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-19 12:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 18:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 18:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-25 19:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 19:18 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-25 19:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 16:07 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-19 12:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 16:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 16:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-19 12:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 15:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 15:37 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 16:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 16:38 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 17:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 12:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 12:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 12:47 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 13:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 13:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 13:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 13:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 14:41 ` Alan Third
2021-04-20 14:21 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-20 18:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-20 19:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 1:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 6:47 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 13:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 14:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 14:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:35 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 14:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:53 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 21:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 14:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 15:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25 18:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 21:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-27 1:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-27 9:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-27 15:15 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-27 23:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-28 10:08 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-28 13:12 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 16:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 19:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 20:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 21:46 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 23:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 23:35 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-29 23:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 7:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 14:13 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-01 16:55 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 14:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-01 16:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-02 10:44 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-30 7:09 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 22:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 23:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 23:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 0:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 0:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 7:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 0:05 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-01 1:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 2:05 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-29 23:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-30 7:13 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 22:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-29 23:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 6:58 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 13:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 5:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30 6:51 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 7:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30 7:27 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30 8:41 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 15:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 15:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 16:14 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 17:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 20:26 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 22:03 ` Drew Adams [this message]
2021-04-21 14:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 16:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 12:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 15:27 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-18 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 11:10 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:14 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-17 13:16 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-17 16:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2008-11-10 21:25 ` Xavier Maillard
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