From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: jasonspiro4@gmail.com, 1305@debbugs.gnu.org,
Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2021 12:31:27 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1869622e162377be79e9@heytings.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87eef9qg81.fsf@gnus.org>
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>> So how about setting visible-bell to t by default in Emacs 28? This
>> behavior was called "barbaric" by Chong Yidong in 2008, and the
>> situation hasn't improved since.
>
> I think that sounds like a good idea, but does visible-bell look nice on
> all systems, or are there major differences?
>
I attach two screenshots, one on Debian GNU/Linux, the other one on macOS.
IMO, the default behavior on GNU/Linux (inverting video on the first and
last line of the frame) is horrible (but perhaps less so than an actual
bell), and the default behavior on macOS is too intrusive (but again
perhaps less so than an actual bell).
Perhaps a nicer way to do this is possible, e.g. make the background of
the minibuffer (which is what the user is invited to look at) yellow or
red (unless it's already yellow or red).
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Thread overview: 176+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2008-11-09 1:50 bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Jason Spiro
2008-11-09 2:00 ` Processed: " Emacs bug Tracking System
2008-11-09 3:57 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Drew Adams
2008-11-09 4:08 ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-09 19:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-09 19:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-09 19:19 ` Drew Adams
2008-11-09 20:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2008-11-10 2:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10 6:28 ` Drew Adams
2008-11-11 21:20 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should usevisual bellinstead Drew Adams
2008-11-10 8:34 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bellinstead Lennart Borgman
2008-11-10 15:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2008-11-10 16:58 ` Lennart Borgman
2008-11-11 18:38 ` Jason A. Spiro
2008-11-10 22:17 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-11 18:50 ` Jason Spiro
2008-11-12 3:33 ` Richard M. Stallman
2008-11-13 7:41 ` Jason Spiro
2021-04-17 6:06 ` bug#1305: All code that currently beeps should use visual bell instead Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 7:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 11:54 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 12:31 ` Gregory Heytings [this message]
2021-04-17 12:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 12:55 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 13:07 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 13:13 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 13:32 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-17 13:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-17 14:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-17 14:08 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 10:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 12:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 13:32 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 15:23 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:42 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 19:17 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-04-17 17:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-17 20:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 21:09 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-04-17 21:17 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 21:52 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-04-17 22:04 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-17 23:30 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-18 10:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 12:22 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 12:36 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 13:10 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 13:15 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 15:22 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 15:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-19 12:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 13:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 13:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-25 18:06 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 20:06 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 13:30 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:02 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 18:02 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 18:35 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 18:45 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 19:04 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 19:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 15:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:11 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-19 12:56 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 13:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-25 18:03 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 18:52 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-25 19:01 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 19:18 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-25 19:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 16:07 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-19 12:38 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 16:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 16:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-04-19 12:39 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-18 15:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 15:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 15:37 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 16:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-18 16:38 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 17:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-18 17:14 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 12:33 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 12:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 12:47 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 13:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 13:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 13:26 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-19 13:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-19 14:41 ` Alan Third
2021-04-20 14:21 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-20 18:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-20 19:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 1:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 6:47 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 13:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:05 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 14:12 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 14:30 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:35 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 14:45 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:53 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 21:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-21 14:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 14:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 15:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-25 18:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-25 21:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-27 1:07 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-27 9:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-27 15:15 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-27 23:21 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-28 10:08 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-28 13:12 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 16:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 19:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 20:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 21:46 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 23:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-29 23:35 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-29 23:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 7:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 14:13 ` Drew Adams
2021-05-01 16:55 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 14:28 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-05-01 16:48 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-02 10:44 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-30 7:09 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 22:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 23:19 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 23:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 0:00 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 0:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 7:50 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-05-01 0:05 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-05-01 1:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-05-01 2:05 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-29 23:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-30 7:13 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-29 22:38 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-04-29 23:11 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-30 6:58 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 13:08 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 5:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30 6:51 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 7:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30 7:27 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-30 8:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-30 8:41 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 15:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 15:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 16:14 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 17:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-21 20:26 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 22:03 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-21 14:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-04-21 16:01 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-21 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-21 20:22 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-19 12:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-04-19 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-04-18 15:27 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-18 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 11:10 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-04-18 11:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-04-18 15:14 ` bug#1305: [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-04-17 13:16 ` Drew Adams
2021-04-17 16:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2008-11-10 21:25 ` Xavier Maillard
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