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From: "Juan Manuel Macías" <maciaschain@posteo.net>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: Max Nikulin <manikulin@gmail.com>,  emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Line breaks and brackets in LaTeX export
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2022 15:00:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87iljwgk0p.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <875yfw8sy6.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Thu, 03 Nov 2022 06:15:13 +0000")

Ihor Radchenko writes:

> These arguments mean that auto-cleaning \\[0pt] is not always safe and
> may be a subject of surrounding LaTeX context. Moreover, there is no
> clear alternative to \\[0pt] that is guaranteed to work.
> Thus, the whole idea with cleaning up the generated LaTeX cannot be
> enabled by default, and I am not even sure if it is something we want to
> implement in the core.
>
> Juan, maybe you have some good alternative suggestions?

I'm afraid not. I've been trying to follow the thread these past few
days and frankly I can't think of anything beyond all the options that
have already been discussed.

I agree that the safest solution (or the least compromised, depending on
how we look at it) is to add [0pt] in all cases. I believe this should
not bring any unexpected consequences. At least I've tried all the
tabular environments related packages that I know of and there don't
seem to be any problems. And in the case of the verse package and verse
numberings, the solution is ad hoc with the patch that I have planned (I
hope to find a gap these days to finish it and test it...): The idea of
the patch is to replace the current separation between stanzas that Org
adds (\vspace) with a white line, and (only) in that case it would be
necessary to ensure that the last verse of the stanza ends in \\!.

On the other hand, if 'factory-cleaning' unnecessary instances of [0pt]
is going to be problematic, I also agree not to add that action to the
exporter. I think it would be better to leave these things up to the
users, depending on their use cases. After all, it is not difficult to
do it using a specific export filter. Maybe add some tips and examples
of basic filters in the documentation, especially for users who don't
have a lot of experience writing filters?

BTW, I also hope that one day this LaTeX problem, which has been there
for so many years, will be solved (because it should be considered a
LaTeX bug, or a LaTeX design flaw, as Maxim commented in another
message). 

Best regards,

Juan Manuel 


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-03 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-15 21:35 [bug] `org-latex-line-break-safe' breaks the export of verse blocks to LaTeX Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-16  3:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-16 12:08   ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-16 15:04 ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-16 16:33   ` Verse block and separations (was: [bug] `org-latex-line-break-safe' breaks the export of verse blocks to LaTeX) Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-17  8:54     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-18  9:39       ` Verse block and separations Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-17 14:48     ` Verse block and separations (was: [bug] `org-latex-line-break-safe' breaks the export of verse blocks to LaTeX) Max Nikulin
2022-10-19 11:08     ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-19 11:24       ` Verse block and separations Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-16 17:14   ` Line breaks and brackets in LaTeX export (was: [bug] `org-latex-line-break-safe' breaks the export of verse blocks to LaTeX) Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-17  9:04     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-17 11:30       ` Line breaks and brackets in LaTeX export Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-17 11:47         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-17 12:27           ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-17 15:01         ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-17 16:46           ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-17 18:04             ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-18  4:41               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-18 14:23                 ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-19  3:57                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-19  5:11                     ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-19 11:16                       ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-19 12:30                         ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-19 17:07                           ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-20 16:55                             ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-21  3:34                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-21 16:38                                 ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-21 19:32                                   ` Juan Manuel Macías
     [not found]                         ` <ac290c60-3b54-5521-eb16-82e6611dc6e2@gmail.com>
2022-10-20 17:07                           ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-29  2:36                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-13 17:01                       ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-18  4:39             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-19 17:12               ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-20  5:07                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-20 17:15                   ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-21  3:41                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-21 16:32                       ` Max Nikulin
2022-10-22  5:15                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-10-22 12:26                           ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-10-22 15:55                           ` Max Nikulin
2022-11-01  1:51                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-01 16:07                               ` Max Nikulin
2022-11-02  6:44                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-02  6:46                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-02 15:27                                     ` Max Nikulin
2022-11-03  6:15                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-03 15:00                                         ` Juan Manuel Macías [this message]
2022-11-03 15:33                                           ` Max Nikulin
2022-11-03 15:48                                             ` Juan Manuel Macías
2022-11-04  4:23                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-11-04  5:40                                               ` Max Nikulin
2022-11-05  5:30                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-11-01 16:55 Juan Manuel Macías

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