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From: Leo Famulari <leo@famulari.name>
To: Leo Prikler <leo.prikler@student.tugraz.at>
Cc: guix-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Telemetry on by default kitty
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2021 15:04:12 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <YMZWrBExKQSfoWNa@jasmine.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <05c05536dde5660ada17b9f4dc8dc041272c1a4a.camel@student.tugraz.at>

On Sun, Jun 13, 2021 at 08:35:18PM +0200, Leo Prikler wrote:
> Perhaps it's valuable for developers, but as a user I often have next
> to no information about what data gets collected and for which purpose,
> both of which are important for *informed consent*.  If "the masses"
> don't really care about the data being collected and would rather see
> improvements on their software, they are free to enable telemetry –
> that's what opt-in is for – but my personal opinion on this is that
> you're going to have a hard time convincing people, that you actually
> only collect reasonable amounts and use them with respect for privacy
> rights.

Yeah, I agree that telemetry is a problem in addition to being valuable
for developers.

I think that making it opt-in doesn't really help very much. People use
defaults. I read that Firefox struggles with software quality on
GNU/Linux because almost nobody enables the telemetry.

I feel that, ultimately, we already trust most software authors
implicitly and totally, because we are not auditing their programs. So,
I am personally happy to enable the telemetry for most software I use —
especially if it is free software and especially for software that deals
with the network. I don't personally see the point of treating telemetry
as a special case in terms of trust or consent.


  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-13 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-12 20:18 Telemetry on by default kitty Bone Baboon
2021-06-12 20:35 ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2021-06-12 21:28   ` Bone Baboon
2021-06-12 21:44     ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2021-06-12 23:12       ` Leo Prikler
2021-06-12 23:14         ` Leo Prikler
2021-06-13  1:32         ` Mark H Weaver
2021-06-13 14:16           ` Tobias Geerinckx-Rice
2021-06-13  2:03         ` Bone Baboon
2021-06-13  9:32           ` Leo Prikler
2021-06-13 17:57             ` Leo Famulari
2021-06-13 18:35               ` Leo Prikler
2021-06-13 19:04                 ` Leo Famulari [this message]
2021-06-13 23:54                   ` Ryan Prior
2021-06-14  6:53                     ` Leo Prikler
2021-06-14 21:15                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-06-15 17:24                   ` Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-06-15 21:39                     ` Leo Prikler
2021-06-16 16:21                       ` Leo Famulari
2021-06-16 17:32                         ` Mark H Weaver
2021-06-16 17:32                         ` my apoligies (was Re: Telemetry on by default kitty) Giovanni Biscuolo
2021-06-16 18:27                           ` Leo Prikler
2021-06-16 22:54                           ` Leo Famulari
2021-06-20 15:50                     ` Telemetry on by default kitty Ludovic Courtès
2021-06-15 23:07                   ` Mark H Weaver
2021-06-16  5:28                     ` Jack Hill
2021-07-06 12:52         ` Bone Baboon

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