torbrowser

torbrowser

[Gottfried]

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Hi Guix,

I saw that you offer "torbrowser" as a own package.

Does that mean there is a new browser, and it is the torbrowser.

What is then the difference between icecat working over the torbrowser 
and the torbrowser itself?

Is it so that in icecat I can install several add-ons, but in torbrowser 
no ones or only some? Is that the main difference.

Sorry, for asking basic questions.
I prefer to ask instead of guessing.


Kind regards

Gottfried

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Re: torbrowser

[Clément Lassieur]

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 28 2023, Gottfried wrote:

> I saw that you offer "torbrowser" as a own package.
>
> Does that mean there is a new browser, and it is the torbrowser.

Yes, it is a new browser, the Tor Browser.

> What is then the difference between icecat working over the torbrowser and the
> torbrowser itself?

I guess you meant "icecat working over tor".

The difference is that a site can identify you based on your browser
settings easily if your browser is Icecat, whereas it's much harder if
it's Tor Browser.  You can check https://coveryourtracks.eff.org to see
if browser settings make you unique.

(Also Tor Browser makes it easy to start the Tor network.)

> Is it so that in icecat I can install several add-ons, but in torbrowser no
> ones or only some? Is that the main difference.

You can install add-ons on both browser, although it's discouraged to do
so with Tor Browser because add-ons can increase your footprint and thus
reduce your online anonymity.

> Sorry, for asking basic questions.
> I prefer to ask instead of guessing.

No problem, feel free to ask anything.

Clément

EFF [was: torbrowser]

[Felix Lechner via]

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 28 2023, Clément Lassieur wrote:

> You can check https://coveryourtracks.eff.org to see if browser
> settings make you unique.

I personally would be cautious with EFF going forward.

For over thirty years, EFF has meant a lot to me. That changed on
November 16, when I received a survey invite entitled "Help shape the
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My confusion grew further when I noticed that I was on the website
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personal data to Microsoft?

Appalled, I wrote to EFF.

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submission to us, should you choose to complete one, is not tied to a
unique identifier other than numbering your response. The data is
encrypted at rest by a key we control and Microsoft does not have access
to."

Looking at my browser's address bar, I noticed that the survey URL
appeared to include a personalized identifier in the parameters.

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keeping with our privacy policy (eff.org/policy) and Microsoft's service
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Re: EFF [was: torbrowser]

[Clément Lassieur]

Hi,

On Thu, Dec 28 2023, Felix Lechner via wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Dec 28 2023, Clément Lassieur wrote:
>
>> You can check https://coveryourtracks.eff.org to see if browser
>> settings make you unique.
>
> I personally would be cautious with EFF going forward.

Thanks for telling us, I've just been told about
https://fingerprintjs.github.io/fingerprintjs/, which I'll use too from
now on.

torbrowser

[Gottfried]

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Hi Guix,

I added "torbrowser" to my icecat.scm

;; Icecat Manifest
(specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium" "torbrowser"))


in my icecat profile


and updated my profile

but it didn't download and install torbrowser.



May be there is still a problem.

Any hint available?


If I look up torbrowser in Guix packages
and klick on the torbrowser

it said

Couldn't find any package named torbrowser 115.6.0esr-13.0-1-build2. But 
you can do the following:

Ask around if there's anyone working on packaging it (see Guix 
communication channels).
Take this opportunity to learn how to package things for Guix (see how 
to submit packages to Guix).

Kind regards

Gottfried


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Re: torbrowser

[Clément Lassieur]

Hi, which guix are you using? (the sha?  What is the output of "guix
--version"?)

Re: torbrowser

[Gottfried]

 Hi Guix,

I am using 

guix bc509aba838780502b83f7fc3d2aee72903656f2

Am 28.12.2023 15:40 schrieb Clément Lassieur: 

> Hi, which guix are you using? (the sha? What is the output of "guix
> --version"?)
 

Re: torbrowser

[Clément Lassieur]

Hi,

> I added "torbrowser" to my icecat.scm
>
> ;; Icecat Manifest
> (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium" "torbrowser"))
>
>
> in my icecat profile
>
>
> and updated my profile

How?

> but it didn't download and install torbrowser.

This is weird, can you show the commands you typed?
>
> May be there is still a problem.
>
> Any hint available?
>
>
> If I look up torbrowser in Guix packages
> and klick on the torbrowser
>
> it said
>
> Couldn't find any package named torbrowser 115.6.0esr-13.0-1-build2. But you
> can do the following:

This should be fixed now:
https://packages.guix.gnu.org/packages/torbrowser/13.0.8/, the web
interface was probably just taking time refreshing.

Kind regards,
Clément

Re: torbrowser

[Gottfried]

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Hi,

today I can use my laptop with Guix.


Am 11.01.24 um 12:21 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> Hi,
> 
>> I added "torbrowser" to my icecat.scm
>>
>> ;; Icecat Manifest
>> (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium" "torbrowser"))
>>
>>
>> in my icecat profile
>>
>>
>> and updated my profile
> 
> How?
> 

I did it this way:

gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package --upgrade 
--profile=/home/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/guix-profil


I tried again today, but it updated only "icecat, ungoogled-chromium.
Tor-browser was not installed.

I checked the name "torbrowser" again, but this seemed to be not the 
problem.


>> but it didn't download and install torbrowser.
> 
> This is weird, can you show the commands you typed?
>>
>> May be there is still a problem.
>>
>> Any hint available?
>>
>>
>> If I look up torbrowser in Guix packages
>> and klick on the torbrowser
>>
>> it said
>>
>> Couldn't find any package named torbrowser 115.6.0esr-13.0-1-build2. But you
>> can do the following:
> 
> This should be fixed now:
> https://packages.guix.gnu.org/packages/torbrowser/13.0.8/, the web
> interface was probably just taking time refreshing.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Clément

-- 
Kind regards and thanks for any help

Gottfried



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Re: torbrowser

[Clément Lassieur]

Hello!

On Thu, Jan 18 2024, Gottfried wrote:

>>> I added "torbrowser" to my icecat.scm
>>>
>>> ;; Icecat Manifest
>>> (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium" "torbrowser"))
>
> I did it this way:
>
> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package --upgrade
> --profile=/home/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/guix-profil
>
> I tried again today, but it updated only "icecat, ungoogled-chromium.
> Tor-browser was not installed.

Can you try this:

guix package -m icecat.scm

?

Clément

Re: torbrowser

[Gottfried]

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Am 18.01.24 um 13:02 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> Hello!
> 
> On Thu, Jan 18 2024, Gottfried wrote:
> 
>>>> I added "torbrowser" to my icecat.scm
>>>>
>>>> ;; Icecat Manifest
>>>> (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium" "torbrowser"))
>>
>> I did it this way:
>>
>> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package --upgrade
>> --profile=/home/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/guix-profil
>>
>> I tried again today, but it updated only "icecat, ungoogled-chromium.
>> Tor-browser was not installed.
> 
> Can you try this:
> 
> guix package -m icecat.scm
> 
> ?
> 
> Clément



gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -m icecat.scm~
guix package: Fehler: „icecat.scm~“ konnte nicht geladen werden:
ice-9/boot-9.scm:2190:9: In procedure primitive-load-path: Unable to 
find file "guix/icecat.scm~" in load path


I have just running "guix confic.scm..."
can this be the reason that it cant find "icecat.scm"?
-- 
Kind regards

Gottfried



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Re: torbrowser

[Clément Lassieur]

On Thu, Jan 18 2024, Gottfried wrote:

> Am 18.01.24 um 13:02 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
>> Hello!
>> On Thu, Jan 18 2024, Gottfried wrote:
>> 
>>>>> I added "torbrowser" to my icecat.scm
>>>>>
>>>>> ;; Icecat Manifest
>>>>> (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium" "torbrowser"))
>>>
>>> I did it this way:
>>>
>>> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package --upgrade
>>> --profile=/home/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/guix-profil
>>>
>>> I tried again today, but it updated only "icecat, ungoogled-chromium.
>>> Tor-browser was not installed.
>> Can you try this:
>> guix package -m icecat.scm
>> ?
>> Clément
>
>
>
> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -m icecat.scm~
> guix package: Fehler: „icecat.scm~“ konnte nicht geladen werden:
> ice-9/boot-9.scm:2190:9: In procedure primitive-load-path: Unable to find file
> "guix/icecat.scm~" in load path
>
>
> I have just running "guix confic.scm..."
> can this be the reason that it cant find "icecat.scm"?

I thought ‘icecat.scm’ was your manifest file.

Can you run “guix package -m <your manifest file>”

<your manifest file> is the file that contains

    (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium" "torbrowser"))

Re: torbrowser

[Gottfried]

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Am 18.01.24 um 15:20 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> does the file exist?
> 
> What is the output of:
> 
>      cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm


gfp@Tuxedo ~$ cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
cat: gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm: No such file or directory


> 
> And what is the output of:
> 
>      guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> 


gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
guix package: error: failed to load 'gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm':
ice-9/boot-9.scm:2190:9: In procedure primitive-load-path: Unable to 
find file "guix/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm" in load path

Kind regards

Gottfried

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Re: torbrowser

[Clément Lassieur]

so what is the file that contains

    ;; Icecat Manifest
    (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium" "torbrowser"))

?

On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 2:42 PM, Gottfried wrote:
> Am 18.01.24 um 15:20 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> > does the file exist?
> > 
> > What is the output of:
> > 
> >      cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> 
> 
> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> cat: gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm: No such file or directory
> 
> 
> > 
> > And what is the output of:
> > 
> >      guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> > 
> 
> 
> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> guix package: error: failed to load 'gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm':
> ice-9/boot-9.scm:2190:9: In procedure primitive-load-path: Unable to 
> find file "guix/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm" in load path
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Gottfried
> 
> 
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>  • OpenPGP_signature

Re: torbrowser

[Gottfried]

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Am 18.01.24 um 15:39 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> so what is the file that contains
> 
>      ;; Icecat Manifest
>      (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium" 
> "torbrowser"))
> 

The file is :

icecat.scm

it is located unter:

gfp/Projekte/Icecat/


May be I don't understand something.

Sorry for the inconvenience.





> 
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 2:42 PM, Gottfried wrote:
>> Am 18.01.24 um 15:20 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
>> > does the file exist?
>> >
>> > What is the output of:
>> >
>> >      cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>>
>>
>> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> cat: gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm: No such file or directory
>>
>>
>> >
>> > And what is the output of:
>> >
>> >      guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> >
>>
>>
>> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> guix package: error: failed to load 'gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm':
>> ice-9/boot-9.scm:2190:9: In procedure primitive-load-path: Unable to
>> find file "guix/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm" in load path
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Gottfried
>>
>>
>> *Attachments:*
>>
>>   * OpenPGP_0x61FAF349C9FB7F94.asc
>>   * OpenPGP_signature
> 

-- 
Kind regards

Gottfried


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Re: torbrowser

[Clément Lassieur]

No problem

Maybe you are not in the good place

can you show the output of:

    pwd

?

Also, where is "gfp" located?

On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 3:01 PM, Gottfried wrote:
> Am 18.01.24 um 15:39 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> > so what is the file that contains
> > 
> >      ;; Icecat Manifest
> >      (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium" 
> > "torbrowser"))
> > 
> 
> The file is :
> 
> icecat.scm
> 
> it is located unter:
> 
> gfp/Projekte/Icecat/
> 
> 
> May be I don't understand something.
> 
> Sorry for the inconvenience.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 2:42 PM, Gottfried wrote:
> >> Am 18.01.24 um 15:20 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> >> > does the file exist?
> >> >
> >> > What is the output of:
> >> >
> >> >      cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> >>
> >>
> >> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> >> cat: gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm: No such file or directory
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > And what is the output of:
> >> >
> >> >      guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> >> guix package: error: failed to load 'gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm':
> >> ice-9/boot-9.scm:2190:9: In procedure primitive-load-path: Unable to
> >> find file "guix/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm" in load path
> >>
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Gottfried
> >>
> >>
> >> *Attachments:*
> >>
> >>   * OpenPGP_0x61FAF349C9FB7F94.asc
> >>   * OpenPGP_signature
> > 
> 
> -- 
> Kind regards
> 
> Gottfried
> 
> 
> 
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>  • OpenPGP_signature

Re: torbrowser

[Gottfried]

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Am 1/18/24 um 15:57 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> No problem
> 
> Maybe you are not in the good place
> 
> can you show the output of:
> 
>      pwd


gfp@Tuxedo ~$ pwd
/home/gfp


> Also, where is "gfp" located?

gfp is my user name.
It is located in /home


thanks for help

Kind regards

  Gottfried




> 
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 3:01 PM, Gottfried wrote:
>> Am 18.01.24 um 15:39 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
>> > so what is the file that contains
>> >
>> >      ;; Icecat Manifest
>> >      (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium"
>> > "torbrowser"))
>> >
>>
>> The file is :
>>
>> icecat.scm
>>
>> it is located unter:
>>
>> gfp/Projekte/Icecat/
>>
>>
>> May be I don't understand something.
>>
>> Sorry for the inconvenience.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 2:42 PM, Gottfried wrote:
>> >> Am 18.01.24 um 15:20 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
>> >> > does the file exist?
>> >> >
>> >> > What is the output of:
>> >> >
>> >> >      cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> >> cat: gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm: No such file or directory
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > And what is the output of:
>> >> >
>> >> >      guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> >> guix package: error: failed to load 'gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm':
>> >> ice-9/boot-9.scm:2190:9: In procedure primitive-load-path: Unable to
>> >> find file "guix/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm" in load path
>> >>

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Re: torbrowser

[Gottfried]

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Hi Clement,

now after updating my manifest it worked:
It downloaded torbrowser additional to icecat and ungoogled-chromium


gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -p /home/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/guix-profil -m 
/home/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
Die folgenden Pakete werden installiert:
    icecat             115.7.0-guix0-preview1
    torbrowser         13.0.9
    ungoogled-chromium 112.0.5615.165-1

I am happy
thanks for your help

Kind regards

Gottfried


Am 18.01.24 um 15:57 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> No problem
> 
> Maybe you are not in the good place
> 
> can you show the output of:
> 
>      pwd
> 
> ?
> 
> Also, where is "gfp" located?
> 
> On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 3:01 PM, Gottfried wrote:
>> Am 18.01.24 um 15:39 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
>> > so what is the file that contains
>> >
>> >      ;; Icecat Manifest
>> >      (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium"
>> > "torbrowser"))
>> >
>>
>> The file is :
>>
>> icecat.scm
>>
>> it is located unter:
>>
>> gfp/Projekte/Icecat/
>>
>>
>> May be I don't understand something.
>>
>> Sorry for the inconvenience.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 2:42 PM, Gottfried wrote:
>> >> Am 18.01.24 um 15:20 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
>> >> > does the file exist?
>> >> >
>> >> > What is the output of:
>> >> >
>> >> >      cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> >> cat: gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm: No such file or directory
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > And what is the output of:
>> >> >
>> >> >      guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
>> >> guix package: error: failed to load 'gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm':
>> >> ice-9/boot-9.scm:2190:9: In procedure primitive-load-path: Unable to
>> >> find file "guix/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm" in load path
>> >>
>> >> Kind regards
>> >>
>> >> Gottfried
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> *Attachments:*
>> >>
>> >>   * OpenPGP_0x61FAF349C9FB7F94.asc
>> >>   * OpenPGP_signature
>> >
>>
>> -- 
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Gottfried
>>
>>
>>
>> *Attachments:*
>>
>>   * OpenPGP_0x61FAF349C9FB7F94.asc
>>   * OpenPGP_signature
> 

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Re: torbrowser

[Clément Lassieur]

Hi Gottfried,

This is great!  Thanks for letting me know.

Kind regards,
Clément

On Thu, Feb 15, 2024, at 11:36 AM, Gottfried wrote:
> Hi Clement,
> 
> now after updating my manifest it worked:
> It downloaded torbrowser additional to icecat and ungoogled-chromium
> 
> 
> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -p /home/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/guix-profil -m 
> /home/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> Die folgenden Pakete werden installiert:
>     icecat             115.7.0-guix0-preview1
>     torbrowser         13.0.9
>     ungoogled-chromium 112.0.5615.165-1
> 
> I am happy
> thanks for your help
> 
> Kind regards
> 
> Gottfried
> 
> 
> Am 18.01.24 um 15:57 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> > No problem
> > 
> > Maybe you are not in the good place
> > 
> > can you show the output of:
> > 
> >      pwd
> > 
> > ?
> > 
> > Also, where is "gfp" located?
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 3:01 PM, Gottfried wrote:
> >> Am 18.01.24 um 15:39 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> >> > so what is the file that contains
> >> >
> >> >      ;; Icecat Manifest
> >> >      (specifications->manifest '("icecat" "ungoogled-chromium"
> >> > "torbrowser"))
> >> >
> >>
> >> The file is :
> >>
> >> icecat.scm
> >>
> >> it is located unter:
> >>
> >> gfp/Projekte/Icecat/
> >>
> >>
> >> May be I don't understand something.
> >>
> >> Sorry for the inconvenience.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jan 18, 2024, at 2:42 PM, Gottfried wrote:
> >> >> Am 18.01.24 um 15:20 schrieb Clément Lassieur:
> >> >> > does the file exist?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > What is the output of:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >      cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ cat gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> >> >> cat: gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm: No such file or directory
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > And what is the output of:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >      guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> gfp@Tuxedo ~$ guix package -m gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm
> >> >> guix package: error: failed to load 'gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm':
> >> >> ice-9/boot-9.scm:2190:9: In procedure primitive-load-path: Unable to
> >> >> find file "guix/gfp/Projekte/Icecat/icecat.scm" in load path
> >> >>
> >> >> Kind regards
> >> >>
> >> >> Gottfried
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> *Attachments:*
> >> >>
> >> >>   * OpenPGP_0x61FAF349C9FB7F94.asc
> >> >>   * OpenPGP_signature
> >> >
> >>
> >> -- 
> >> Kind regards
> >>
> >> Gottfried
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Attachments:*
> >>
> >>   * OpenPGP_0x61FAF349C9FB7F94.asc
> >>   * OpenPGP_signature
> > 
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> *Attachments:*
>  • OpenPGP_0x61FAF349C9FB7F94.asc
>  • OpenPGP_signature

torbrowser

[ng0]

I'm currently occupying the time where I don't study various things and
debug gnunet-service with packaging torbrowser.

So Gentoo (inofficially, 'torbrowser-overlay'[1]) uses the pre-build
archives found on dist.torproject.org in combination with a git checkout
and the torbrowser + firefox patches done by Gentoo devs[1.1].

NixOS in Nixpkgs[2] makes use of patchelf to just fix up the prebuild
variant found on dist.torproject.org.


I suspect that the way Nix 'fixes' this is a no-go for us.

My idea is now to just reconstruct what torproject does, from the git
checkout of torbrowser[3] and eventually later fix Guix specific issues
and fine tuning (freedom issues etc etc). 


Cloning takes a rather long time, this is where Andy's shallow-clone
would be useful, which is where I ran into issue and delayed re-working
this for now. If someone is interested I can post the patch which
applied on master recently.



1: An overlay can be compared to what we have as 'GUIX_PACKAGE_PATH',
   distributed in official and inofficial forms.
1.1: The raw data of the ebuild can be seen here, excluding eclasses:
   https://data.gpo.zugaina.org/torbrowser/www-client/torbrowser/torbrowser-45.7.0_p650.ebuild
2: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/blob/3d104ab2b3e578cb4599b6fffbcc019b09547521/pkgs/tools/security/tor/torbrowser.nix
3: http://dccbbv6cooddgcrq.onion/tor-browser.git

Re: torbrowser

[Ludovic Courtès]

ng0 <contact.ng0@cryptolab.net> skribis:

> NixOS in Nixpkgs[2] makes use of patchelf to just fix up the prebuild
> variant found on dist.torproject.org.
>
>
> I suspect that the way Nix 'fixes' this is a no-go for us.

Indeed.  :-)

> My idea is now to just reconstruct what torproject does, from the git
> checkout of torbrowser[3] and eventually later fix Guix specific issues
> and fine tuning (freedom issues etc etc). 

Sounds like a plan.

> Cloning takes a rather long time, this is where Andy's shallow-clone
> would be useful, which is where I ran into issue and delayed re-working
> this for now. If someone is interested I can post the patch which
> applied on master recently.

If you’ve made changes to what Andy posted back then, or if it doesn’t
work as you want, please post and make it clear what’s left to address.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Re: torbrowser

[ng0]

On 17-03-06 16:47:26, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> ng0 <contact.ng0@cryptolab.net> skribis:
> 

> > Cloning takes a rather long time, this is where Andy's shallow-clone
> > would be useful, which is where I ran into issue and delayed re-working
> > this for now. If someone is interested I can post the patch which
> > applied on master recently.
> 
> If you’ve made changes to what Andy posted back then, or if it doesn’t
> work as you want, please post and make it clear what’s left to address.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ludo’.

Too little experience with debugging another persons style of writing
Guile. There are issues I can't figure out with only little time
spending on the code and the changes in the last 2 years in the file. I
would have to ask Andy what this and that was meant to express or
achieve, etc.
I will send in the patch, hoping that it still applies after the latest
changes.
I only changed parts of the code so that it's similar to what the
original patch (which no longer applies after 2 years) changed.
Debugging some things here and there and personal matters take up too
much time, so it's not effective if I work on this.
Patch will be send either tonight or tomorrow afternoon.

Thanks!

Re: torbrowser

[dian_cecht]

On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:14:59 +0000
ng0 <contact.ng0@cryptolab.net> wrote:
> My idea is now to just reconstruct what torproject does, from the git
> checkout of torbrowser and eventually later fix Guix specific
> issues and fine tuning (freedom issues etc etc).

Would it be possible to grab the patches Torbrowser uses against
Firefox and simply try to apply them to IceCat? I don't know exactly
what version of FF Icecat and Torbrowser build off of, but if that
could work it might make life a bit easier.

Alternativly, maybe applying the icecat patches to Torbrowser might
work, too.

Re: torbrowser

[ng0]

On 17-03-06 08:06:52, dian_cecht@zoho.com wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:14:59 +0000
> ng0 <contact.ng0@cryptolab.net> wrote:
> > My idea is now to just reconstruct what torproject does, from the git
> > checkout of torbrowser and eventually later fix Guix specific
> > issues and fine tuning (freedom issues etc etc).
> 
> Would it be possible to grab the patches Torbrowser uses against
> Firefox and simply try to apply them to IceCat? I don't know exactly
> what version of FF Icecat and Torbrowser build off of, but if that
> could work it might make life a bit easier.
> 
> Alternativly, maybe applying the icecat patches to Torbrowser might
> work, too.
> 
> 

Not really. Icecat is just too old, and the firefox version torbrowser
is based on is not compatible with the one icecat uses. I would not want
the extra work to backport patches.

So far, I haven't investigated all possible ways, it seems too much work
to cherry-pick what torbrowser does to firefox. as they seem to maintain
all in the repository it could work out to just build from there. Their
release workflow (not automated but well documented) includes pulling in
from firefox, so there has to be firefox code in the repository.
The time and effort to base this on icecat is not worth it... unless
someone wants to start an icecat-torbrowser which *closely* tracks
torbrowser and does not become so unresponsive to bugs/issues like
icecat currently is.
And in both cases, the browser I assemble, and in the not-existing case
of a blend of torbrowser,I want to compare against upstream releases to
see how much we would differ and how much it'll affect fingerprinting
etc.
This difference will go into the description, as it can't be described
as a 1:1 port of torbrowser.

Re: torbrowser

[ng0]

ng0 transcribed 1.7K bytes:
> On 17-03-06 08:06:52, dian_cecht@zoho.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 6 Mar 2017 15:14:59 +0000
> > ng0 <contact.ng0@cryptolab.net> wrote:
> > > My idea is now to just reconstruct what torproject does, from the git
> > > checkout of torbrowser and eventually later fix Guix specific
> > > issues and fine tuning (freedom issues etc etc).
[snip]
(Don't consider this "necro-bumping".)

The maintainer of the ebuild for Gentoo in the torbrowser-overlay
just gave me the last missing pieces of information for building torbrowser.
Recent commit message subjects in the upstream torbrowser repository
make me assume there will be no issues for integration into Guix master.
As long as the final build ressembles what I have talked about with them
we can even name it torbrowser and have the official design.

I hope to be done with this by summer, but you never know with browser.
But it's just a Firefox ESR deriv., so (ideally) it should just be a matter
of 1 or 2 weekends.
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Re: torbrowser

[Christopher Lemmer Webber]

ng0 writes:

> The maintainer of the ebuild for Gentoo in the torbrowser-overlay
> just gave me the last missing pieces of information for building torbrowser.
> Recent commit message subjects in the upstream torbrowser repository
> make me assume there will be no issues for integration into Guix master.
> As long as the final build ressembles what I have talked about with them
> we can even name it torbrowser and have the official design.
>
> I hope to be done with this by summer, but you never know with browser.
> But it's just a Firefox ESR deriv., so (ideally) it should just be a matter
> of 1 or 2 weekends.

This is great, ng0!  Thank you! :)

Re: torbrowser

[Catonano]

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2018-03-07 16:32 GMT+01:00 Christopher Lemmer Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org
>:

> ng0 writes:
>
> > The maintainer of the ebuild for Gentoo in the torbrowser-overlay
> > just gave me the last missing pieces of information for building
> torbrowser.
> > Recent commit message subjects in the upstream torbrowser repository
> > make me assume there will be no issues for integration into Guix master.
> > As long as the final build ressembles what I have talked about with them
> > we can even name it torbrowser and have the official design.
> >
> > I hope to be done with this by summer, but you never know with browser.
> > But it's just a Firefox ESR deriv., so (ideally) it should just be a
> matter
> > of 1 or 2 weekends.
>
> This is great, ng0!  Thank you! :)
>
>

I want to express my gratitude too

I cold even try to build your thing if I knew where it is ;-)

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Re: torbrowser

[ng0]

Catonano transcribed 2.4K bytes:
> 2018-03-07 16:32 GMT+01:00 Christopher Lemmer Webber <cwebber@dustycloud.org
> >:
> 
> > ng0 writes:
> >
> > > The maintainer of the ebuild for Gentoo in the torbrowser-overlay
> > > just gave me the last missing pieces of information for building
> > torbrowser.
> > > Recent commit message subjects in the upstream torbrowser repository
> > > make me assume there will be no issues for integration into Guix master.
> > > As long as the final build ressembles what I have talked about with them
> > > we can even name it torbrowser and have the official design.
> > >
> > > I hope to be done with this by summer, but you never know with browser.
> > > But it's just a Firefox ESR deriv., so (ideally) it should just be a
> > matter
> > > of 1 or 2 weekends.

Correction: Never underestimate web browser debugging. It's been a couple of hours
only so far though. Devil is in the details, but I'm making progress.

> > This is great, ng0!  Thank you! :)
> >
> >
> 
> I want to express my gratitude too
> 
> I cold even try to build your thing if I knew where it is ;-)

Torbrowser? The package definition is on my harddrive, so nowhere
to be found for now.
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