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From: David Pirotte <david@altosw.be>
To: Attila Lendvai <attila@lendvai.name>
Cc: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>,
	"Maxim Cournoyer" <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>,
	zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>,
	guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Guile debugger workgroup?
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:41:23 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221127214123.2dabd163@aicha> (raw)
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Hello Attila,

> coming from common lisp (and SBCL in particular), i think the lowest
> hanging fruit in the guile debugging experience is making sure that
> backtraces are not cut short when printed.

Not 'by default' though, I would personally vote against such a change
[1].

Did you try, after the exception is raised:

	,bt #:full? #t :#width 1000 (or higher if needed)

That always worked for me.

David

[1]

Fwiw, I am actually trying to get our maintainers to accept to set the
very same 'truncate' defaults for both repl printiers [2] and raised
exception printers [3].

[2]

repl printers can be easily configured by users though, even for none
experimented users, so ok but I would still prefer the default to
truncate the output. Here is how though, for those interested

	https://www.gnu.org/software/guile-cv/manual/html_node/Configuring-Guile_0027s-repl_002dprint-procedure.html

[3]

raised exception printer are next to impossible to configure for none
experimented users, and even 'advanced' or 'very advanced' guilers 
do not know how to do this, and when advised with the proper solution,
there are just 'scared' to implement it (which I understand, as the
solution requires to patch (ice-9 boot-9).

This is explained here, again, fwiw:
	
	https://www.gnu.org/software/guile-cv/manual/html_node/Configuring-Guile_0027s-raised-exception-system.html

But there is a patch, if you prefer

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guile.git?h=wip-exception-truncate
	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guile.git/commit/?h=wip-exception-truncate&id=1a919d98514f1184b91085a19b55a4c719300149

	[ for guile-3.0 ofc, and you'd need to install from the source
	[ in the first place, then cherry pick the patch ...



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  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-28  0:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-27  3:41 [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:50 ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 1/5] Makefile.am: Sort EXTRA_DIST entries Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:50   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 2/5] tests: Add a tests/utils.sh support file Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-09 21:07     ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10  3:38       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23       ` [bug#59164] [PATCH v2 1/4] Makefile.am: Sort EXTRA_DIST entries Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23         ` [bug#59161] [PATCH v2 2/4] install: Validate symlink target in evaluate-populate-directive Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23         ` [bug#59162] [PATCH v2 3/4] guix: shell: Add '--symlink' option Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23         ` [bug#59163] [PATCH v2 4/4] shell: Detect --symlink spec problems early Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:50   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 3/5] install: Validate symlink target in evaluate-populate-directive Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-09 21:06     ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10  3:37       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-17 17:37         ` [bug#59164] Coding style: similarly-named variables Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-17 18:44           ` [bug#58812] " zimoun
2022-11-18 17:02             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-21 15:02               ` zimoun
2022-11-21 15:52                 ` [bug#59164] " zimoun
2022-11-21 20:55                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-22 14:35                   ` [bug#59164] " zimoun
2022-11-25 15:23                     ` Guile debugger workgroup? (was: Coding style: similarly-named variables) Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-26 11:22                       ` Guile debugger workgroup? Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-27  3:16                         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-28 10:53                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 13:41                             ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-28 14:50                               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-29  8:46                               ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-30  3:44                                 ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-27 12:04                         ` zimoun
2022-11-28  0:27                           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-28 11:06                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 12:31                             ` zimoun
2022-11-27 20:46                         ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-28  0:41                           ` David Pirotte [this message]
2022-11-28  0:45                             ` David Pirotte
2022-11-28  2:06                           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-28  7:22                             ` Joshua Branson
2022-11-28 11:09                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 14:12                             ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-29  8:54                               ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 12:24                       ` Guile debugger workgroup? (was: Coding style: similarly-named variables) Csepp
2022-11-30  7:09                       ` Guile debugger workgroup? Jannneke Nieuwenhuizen
2022-11-26 14:47                     ` [bug#58812] [bug#59164] Coding style: similarly-named variables Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-17 20:34           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-20 10:46             ` [bug#58812] " Ludovic Courtès
2022-10-27  3:50   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 4/5] guix: shell: Add '--symlink' option Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-09 20:58     ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10  3:10       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 14:17         ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10 14:49           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 15:16             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-14  9:18               ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10 16:05           ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 1/4] Makefile.am: Sort EXTRA_DIST entries Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 16:05             ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 2/4] install: Validate symlink target in evaluate-populate-directive Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 16:05             ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 3/4] guix: shell: Add '--symlink' option Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 16:05             ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 4/4] shell: Detect --symlink spec problems early Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-16 19:03       ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' zimoun
2022-11-16 19:34         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:51   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 5/5] shell: Detect --symlink spec problems early Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-15 21:24 ` bug#58812: [PATCH v3 1/4] " Maxim Cournoyer

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