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From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Cc: 59164@debbugs.gnu.org, 58812@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: [bug#58812] Coding style: similarly-named variables
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 11:46:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87pmdh7vkn.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87v8ndtj58.fsf@gmail.com> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Thu, 17 Nov 2022 15:34:27 -0500")

Hi,

Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> skribis:

[...]

>>> It's a pattern I've used at other places; I find it more hygienic to not
>>> shadow existing variables; it signal to the reader "be careful, this is
>>> not the same as the argument-bound one, though they are closely
>>> related".
>>
>> I don’t buy it.  :-)  The reader might be careful yet end up using the
>> “wrong” variable.  As long as the “wrong” variable has no use, I think
>> it’s best to shadow it so that mistakes cannot happen.
>
> I'm surprised you're not buying it, given we're writing Scheme in a more
> functional style, and mutating same-named variables clearly goes against
> that style :-).

There’s no mutation here, only lexical scoping.  Anyway, I find it clear
that the risk of typing ‘x’ instead of ‘x*’, especially in relatively
long functions, justifies shadowing in situations like this one.  WDYT?

>> Of course the details vary depending on context, but I think we should
>> not start introducing this pattern in different places.  Perhaps
>> something to discuss and codify under “Formatting Code”?
>
> That's more of a coding style guidelines than "formatting" code

Sorry I meant “Coding Style”, which is the section that documents the
project’s conventions.

> (when I read "formatting", I think of a mechanical process like 'guix
> style' or 'rust-fmt' can do), but yes, that could be nice to have.
> Better yet, something basic to share across the whole Guile/Scheme
> community and include in the Guile user manual, like Python has PEP 8
> they can refer to, to save every Guile/Scheme project from having to
> reinvent the wheel.

I won’t do it, but sure, why not!  My immediate concern is to make sure
we have a shared understanding, within Guix, of some of the conventions
we follow.  It’s a minor issue, but minor issues are what our day-to-day
work is made of.  :-)

Thanks,
Ludo’.




  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-20 10:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-27  3:41 [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:50 ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 1/5] Makefile.am: Sort EXTRA_DIST entries Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:50   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 2/5] tests: Add a tests/utils.sh support file Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-09 21:07     ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10  3:38       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23       ` [bug#59164] [PATCH v2 1/4] Makefile.am: Sort EXTRA_DIST entries Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23         ` [bug#59161] [PATCH v2 2/4] install: Validate symlink target in evaluate-populate-directive Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23         ` [bug#59162] [PATCH v2 3/4] guix: shell: Add '--symlink' option Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23         ` [bug#59163] [PATCH v2 4/4] shell: Detect --symlink spec problems early Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:50   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 3/5] install: Validate symlink target in evaluate-populate-directive Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-09 21:06     ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10  3:37       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-17 17:37         ` [bug#59164] Coding style: similarly-named variables Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-17 18:44           ` [bug#58812] " zimoun
2022-11-18 17:02             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-21 15:02               ` zimoun
2022-11-21 15:52                 ` [bug#59164] " zimoun
2022-11-21 20:55                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-22 14:35                   ` [bug#59164] " zimoun
2022-11-25 15:23                     ` Guile debugger workgroup? (was: Coding style: similarly-named variables) Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-26 11:22                       ` Guile debugger workgroup? Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-27  3:16                         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-28 10:53                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 13:41                             ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-28 14:50                               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-29  8:46                               ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-30  3:44                                 ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-27 12:04                         ` zimoun
2022-11-28  0:27                           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-28 11:06                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 12:31                             ` zimoun
2022-11-27 20:46                         ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-28  0:41                           ` David Pirotte
2022-11-28  0:45                             ` David Pirotte
2022-11-28  2:06                           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-28  7:22                             ` Joshua Branson
2022-11-28 11:09                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 14:12                             ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-29  8:54                               ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 12:24                       ` Guile debugger workgroup? (was: Coding style: similarly-named variables) Csepp
2022-11-30  7:09                       ` Guile debugger workgroup? Jannneke Nieuwenhuizen
2022-11-26 14:47                     ` [bug#58812] [bug#59164] Coding style: similarly-named variables Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-17 20:34           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-20 10:46             ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2022-10-27  3:50   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 4/5] guix: shell: Add '--symlink' option Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-09 20:58     ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10  3:10       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 14:17         ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10 14:49           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 15:16             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-14  9:18               ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10 16:05           ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 1/4] Makefile.am: Sort EXTRA_DIST entries Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 16:05             ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 2/4] install: Validate symlink target in evaluate-populate-directive Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 16:05             ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 3/4] guix: shell: Add '--symlink' option Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 16:05             ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 4/4] shell: Detect --symlink spec problems early Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-16 19:03       ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' zimoun
2022-11-16 19:34         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:51   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 5/5] shell: Detect --symlink spec problems early Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-15 21:24 ` bug#58812: [PATCH v3 1/4] " Maxim Cournoyer

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