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From: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
To: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com>
Cc: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>,  guix-devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Guile debugger workgroup?
Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 11:53:48 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sfi3e4eb.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87edtpw0hq.fsf@gmail.com> (Maxim Cournoyer's message of "Sat, 26 Nov 2022 22:16:17 -0500")

Hi,

Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> skribis:

> Ludovic Courtès <ludo@gnu.org> writes:

[...]

>> Also, I think I mentioned before that I almost never use breakpoints on
>> Guile code—not because of some deficiency of the debugger, not (just)
>> because I’m silly or inexperienced, but because it’s rarely the right
>> tool for the job.
>>
>> I believe this is largely due to (1) writing functional code, and (2)
>> doing live programming at the REPL.  Why would you use breakpoints when
>> you can just call the relevant procedures on some input to see how they
>> behave?
>
> And I've probably countered that before by saying that while it's true
> that functional programming helps, there are still times where the
> inputs or the lexical environment I need to understand are complex
> enough that reproducing them at the global level (REPL) is a pain.  Just
> breaking at the right place and typing ,locals would be a much more
> efficient way to proceed to see what the environment in scope looks
> like.

Agreed, I didn’t mean to suggest that breakpoints are never useful.

The scenario you describe above should be possible above (there *is* a
debugger that supports breakpoints and single stepping).  Now, it may
be, as you wrote, that inlining can lead breakpoints to never be hit, or
that there are bugs in this area.  These things should be fixed, I agree.

Ludo’.


  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-28 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-27  3:41 [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:50 ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 1/5] Makefile.am: Sort EXTRA_DIST entries Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:50   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 2/5] tests: Add a tests/utils.sh support file Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-09 21:07     ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10  3:38       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23       ` [bug#59164] [PATCH v2 1/4] Makefile.am: Sort EXTRA_DIST entries Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23         ` [bug#59161] [PATCH v2 2/4] install: Validate symlink target in evaluate-populate-directive Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23         ` [bug#59162] [PATCH v2 3/4] guix: shell: Add '--symlink' option Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10  4:23         ` [bug#59163] [PATCH v2 4/4] shell: Detect --symlink spec problems early Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:50   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 3/5] install: Validate symlink target in evaluate-populate-directive Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-09 21:06     ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10  3:37       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-17 17:37         ` [bug#59164] Coding style: similarly-named variables Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-17 18:44           ` [bug#58812] " zimoun
2022-11-18 17:02             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-21 15:02               ` zimoun
2022-11-21 15:52                 ` [bug#59164] " zimoun
2022-11-21 20:55                 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-22 14:35                   ` [bug#59164] " zimoun
2022-11-25 15:23                     ` Guile debugger workgroup? (was: Coding style: similarly-named variables) Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-26 11:22                       ` Guile debugger workgroup? Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-27  3:16                         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-28 10:53                           ` Ludovic Courtès [this message]
2022-11-28 13:41                             ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-28 14:50                               ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-29  8:46                               ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-30  3:44                                 ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-27 12:04                         ` zimoun
2022-11-28  0:27                           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-28 11:06                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 12:31                             ` zimoun
2022-11-27 20:46                         ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-28  0:41                           ` David Pirotte
2022-11-28  0:45                             ` David Pirotte
2022-11-28  2:06                           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-28  7:22                             ` Joshua Branson
2022-11-28 11:09                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 14:12                             ` Attila Lendvai
2022-11-29  8:54                               ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-28 12:24                       ` Guile debugger workgroup? (was: Coding style: similarly-named variables) Csepp
2022-11-30  7:09                       ` Guile debugger workgroup? Jannneke Nieuwenhuizen
2022-11-26 14:47                     ` [bug#58812] [bug#59164] Coding style: similarly-named variables Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-17 20:34           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-20 10:46             ` [bug#58812] " Ludovic Courtès
2022-10-27  3:50   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 4/5] guix: shell: Add '--symlink' option Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-09 20:58     ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10  3:10       ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 14:17         ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10 14:49           ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 15:16             ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-14  9:18               ` Ludovic Courtès
2022-11-10 16:05           ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 1/4] Makefile.am: Sort EXTRA_DIST entries Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 16:05             ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 2/4] install: Validate symlink target in evaluate-populate-directive Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 16:05             ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 3/4] guix: shell: Add '--symlink' option Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-10 16:05             ` [bug#58812] [PATCH v3 4/4] shell: Detect --symlink spec problems early Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-16 19:03       ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 0/5] Add --symlink option to 'guix shell' zimoun
2022-11-16 19:34         ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-10-27  3:51   ` [bug#58812] [PATCH 5/5] shell: Detect --symlink spec problems early Maxim Cournoyer
2022-11-15 21:24 ` bug#58812: [PATCH v3 1/4] " Maxim Cournoyer

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