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From: Konrad Hinsen <konrad.hinsen@fastmail.net>
To: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com>
Cc: Guix Devel <guix-devel@gnu.org>, 38529@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#38529: Make --ad-hoc the default for guix environment proposed deprecation mechanism
Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2019 10:43:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1pngmrmst.fsf__24759.6530754649$1576662267$gmane$org@khs-macbook.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJ3okZ0Fw=02cDwdn5GuiDCyUNOUY=YaGyrFyHE5qWsOQTLASQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Simon,

> Maybe I miss a point. It is not: "watch out, this will do something
> else in the future" but "watch out, this was doing something else in
> the past and the change happened the <date> in <commit>".

Concrete example: I am writing a tutorial about using Guix for
reproducible research. It shows several uses of "guix environment", some
of them without '–add-hoc' or '–inputs-of'. I know my examples will
cease to work in a few months. What am I supposed to do about this?

> First, I am not convinced that there is not so much scripts that will
> be broken. And second, I am not convinced neither that these very
> scripts need time-traveling.

Perhaps it's just me, but I use "guix environment" quite a lot in
scripts, in order to make them more reproducible. Here's a simple
example:

   #!/usr/bin/env bash
   guix environment --container --ad-hoc gcc-toolchain <<EOF
   gcc pi.c -o pi
   ./pi
   EOF
 
>> The first rule of backwards-compatibility is: never change the meaning
>> of an existing valid command/API. Add new valid syntax, deprecate old
>> valid syntax, but don't change the meaning of something that was and
>> will be valid.
>
> I agree on the rule.
> But it is mitigated but the number of users and the popularity of the tool. ;-)

Indeed!

> Yes, it is probably the most adequate to do. But it is sad to loose
> the good name "guix environment"... and we know that naming is hard.
> ;-)

I definitely agree. As a lesson for the future, maybe we should use
not-so-nice names for new commands during a kind of beta-testing phase.

Cheers,
  Konrad

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-18  9:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-08 15:42 bug#38529: Make --pure the default for `guix environment'? Pierre Neidhardt
2019-12-08 21:03 ` zimoun
2019-12-09 18:46   ` Thompson, David
2019-12-09 20:17     ` Brett Gilio
2019-12-10 17:16     ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-30 17:27       ` raingloom
2020-11-03 17:38       ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-11-03 18:35         ` zimoun
2020-11-06  9:03         ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-11-04  9:43       ` Taylan Kammer
2020-11-04 16:05         ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-12-12 11:23   ` bug#38529: Make --ad-hoc the default for guix environment proposed deprecation mechanism Gábor Boskovits
     [not found]   ` <CAE4v=phY+7CTKMf8Y3a9p4okfqtMGOWu9kd2Nu6oCJW8OsK3Lw@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-12 16:47     ` zimoun
     [not found]     ` <CAJ3okZ3+-yAfRpYDHz-jYONguOPWjff0iWZ_7NPEz6x5mbOO1w@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-12 20:54       ` Gábor Boskovits
     [not found]       ` <CAE4v=piMnBhHWpbB60qMRnnDNwqkuddfNv7cEihr9+5-52k2OA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-13 12:02         ` zimoun
2019-12-13 16:27           ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-13 16:32             ` zimoun
2019-12-13 16:41               ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-16 22:09             ` Ludovic Courtès
     [not found]             ` <87k16vdise.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-12-17  6:49               ` Konrad Hinsen
     [not found]               ` <e992ac46-37b9-ba12-83cc-6694427acd31@fastmail.net>
2019-12-17  9:14                 ` Gábor Boskovits
     [not found]                 ` <CAE4v=pjc5pWiaaB17tJnpO=O0=M5xrEWhyvWMLRaiLy5V19Y5Q@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-17 13:33                   ` Kyle Meyer
     [not found]                   ` <87pngncc0n.fsf@kyleam.com>
2019-12-17 14:22                     ` Brett Gilio
2019-12-17 22:30                   ` Bengt Richter
     [not found]                   ` <20191217223048.GA3741@PhantoNv4ArchGx.localdomain>
2019-12-17 23:21                     ` Bengt Richter
2019-12-17 17:07                 ` zimoun
     [not found]                 ` <CAJ3okZ0Fw=02cDwdn5GuiDCyUNOUY=YaGyrFyHE5qWsOQTLASQ@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-18  9:43                   ` Konrad Hinsen [this message]
     [not found]                   ` <m1pngmrmst.fsf@khs-macbook.home>
2019-12-18 13:09                     ` zimoun
2019-12-18 20:55                     ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-19 11:30                       ` zimoun
2019-12-19 21:39                         ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-19 22:40                           ` zimoun
2019-12-20  1:37                             ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-20 11:40                               ` zimoun
2019-12-20 21:31                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-21  8:40                                   ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-21 16:51                                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-30  9:44                                     ` EuAndreh via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2019-12-30 10:34                                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-30 12:03                                         ` zimoun
2019-12-30 15:06                                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-30 17:55                                             ` zimoun
2019-12-30 21:10                                               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-30 21:32                                                 ` zimoun
2019-12-31 18:09                                                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-31 19:09                                                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-01-01 19:23                                                     ` zimoun
2019-12-20 23:02                                 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-21  0:04                                   ` zimoun
     [not found]                     ` <CAJ3okZ3zSS0Rbnu5eLhpYHPvSY1emaj=-estQcjRwiJ3=4RMMA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-20 11:24                       ` Konrad Hinsen
     [not found]                       ` <m1fthfz1db.fsf@ordinateur-de-catherine--konrad.home>
2019-12-20 12:03                         ` zimoun
2019-12-20 21:08                           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-23  9:28                             ` Danny Milosavljevic
2020-01-02  9:49                             ` Andy Wingo
2019-12-20 21:12                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
     [not found]                     ` <87v9qapuq6.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-12-21 15:18                       ` Konrad Hinsen
2019-12-19 16:31                 ` bug#38529: Deprecating ‘guix environment’? Ludovic Courtès
     [not found]                 ` <87k16snuoz.fsf_-_@gnu.org>
2019-12-19 22:48                   ` zimoun
2019-12-20 11:17                   ` Konrad Hinsen
     [not found]                   ` <m1immbz1ny.fsf@ordinateur-de-catherine--konrad.home>
2019-12-20 13:21                     ` zimoun
2019-12-08 22:43 ` bug#38529: Make --pure the default for `guix environment'? Leo Famulari
2019-12-09  5:23 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-19 14:28   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2019-12-09 17:37 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-12-12 19:33   ` zimoun

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