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From: "Gábor Boskovits" <boskovits@gmail.com>
To: Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net>
Cc: GNU Guix maintainers <guix-maintainers@gnu.org>, 38529@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#38529: Make --ad-hoc the default for guix environment proposed deprecation mechanism
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2019 09:40:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAE4v=pjJMc3YPft5SOeSZQAeAUsf2mnFKWiGvcSG3o_i9NV3yQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87tv5upttv.fsf@elephly.net>

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Ricardo Wurmus <rekado@elephly.net> ezt írta (időpont: 2019. dec. 20., Pén
22:32):

>
> zimoun <zimon.toutoune@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Then you ask one question: "Should Guix be volatile software?" with
> > the subtitle "Software developers should avoid traumatic changes".
> > Nothing more.
> > Well, I answer you by trying to fill the gap. Note that "volatile
> > software" is the same argument than the Ludo's concern and the
> > Konrad's example. So, nothing new on the table; except you are
> > starting to throw "feelings" with the "traumatic change" words.
>
> I’m just chiming in here to say that feelings of frustration are very
> valid reasons to make or object to a change.  Guix is or can be a very
> important piece of software — if it remains reliable in the toolbox of
> those using it.
>
> It is difficult striking the right balance between exciting new features
> that make things possible that were previously unattainable and
> dependability through stable interfaces.
>
> The Guix command line is by far the most commonly used interface.  We
> can’t just claim that the Scheme API is stable (which it actually isn’t)
> and change the user-facing CLI as we please.
>
> Personally, I think that it is fine to introduce breaking changes, but
> that for changes that are likely to have a high potential for annoyance
> and frustration there ought to be a documented way to work around them.
> Breaking changes must be communicated through version number bumps and
> accompanying announcements.
>
> While I don’t see how we can make it happen, I do find the idea of a
> stable API whose version can be selected with an environment variable
> intriguing and worth thinking about.  If our Scheme API is as flexible
> as we claim it shouldn’t be too hard to interpose a configuration layer
> between the core facilities and the “porcelain”.
>
This is something that needs consideration. I believe that the original
ideas presented here, and what you say about having a stable api can be
easily synchronized by naming the environment variable to something like
GUIX_CLI_API_VERSION. I would propose it to be of the form 1.0.1.0, so that
the first three numbers could be the current guix  version. Havin it this
way would allow inter releas updates bumping the last number, and the
ability to easily set a new default when the major version is bumped, which
implies a breaking change anyways. From there on the question would be what
should be the default? I would say, that is should be
<current-mayor>.0.0.0. Does that make sense?  Maybe we could come up with
something simpler, like dropping the second and third number.

>
> I wonder what the other maintainers think about this.
>
> --
> Ricardo
>
>
>
>
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  reply	other threads:[~2019-12-21  8:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-08 15:42 bug#38529: Make --pure the default for `guix environment'? Pierre Neidhardt
2019-12-08 21:03 ` zimoun
2019-12-09 18:46   ` Thompson, David
2019-12-09 20:17     ` Brett Gilio
2019-12-10 17:16     ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-30 17:27       ` raingloom
2020-11-03 17:38       ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2020-11-03 18:35         ` zimoun
2020-11-06  9:03         ` Ludovic Courtès
2020-11-04  9:43       ` Taylan Kammer
2020-11-04 16:05         ` Christopher Lemmer Webber
2019-12-12 11:23   ` bug#38529: Make --ad-hoc the default for guix environment proposed deprecation mechanism Gábor Boskovits
     [not found]   ` <CAE4v=phY+7CTKMf8Y3a9p4okfqtMGOWu9kd2Nu6oCJW8OsK3Lw@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-12 16:47     ` zimoun
     [not found]     ` <CAJ3okZ3+-yAfRpYDHz-jYONguOPWjff0iWZ_7NPEz6x5mbOO1w@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-12 20:54       ` Gábor Boskovits
     [not found]       ` <CAE4v=piMnBhHWpbB60qMRnnDNwqkuddfNv7cEihr9+5-52k2OA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-13 12:02         ` zimoun
2019-12-13 16:27           ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-13 16:32             ` zimoun
2019-12-13 16:41               ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-16 22:09             ` Ludovic Courtès
     [not found]             ` <87k16vdise.fsf@gnu.org>
2019-12-17  6:49               ` Konrad Hinsen
     [not found]               ` <e992ac46-37b9-ba12-83cc-6694427acd31@fastmail.net>
2019-12-17  9:14                 ` Gábor Boskovits
2019-12-17 17:07                 ` zimoun
     [not found]                 ` <CAE4v=pjc5pWiaaB17tJnpO=O0=M5xrEWhyvWMLRaiLy5V19Y5Q@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-17 13:33                   ` Kyle Meyer
     [not found]                   ` <87pngncc0n.fsf@kyleam.com>
2019-12-17 14:22                     ` Brett Gilio
2019-12-17 22:30                   ` Bengt Richter
     [not found]                   ` <20191217223048.GA3741@PhantoNv4ArchGx.localdomain>
2019-12-17 23:21                     ` Bengt Richter
     [not found]                 ` <CAJ3okZ0Fw=02cDwdn5GuiDCyUNOUY=YaGyrFyHE5qWsOQTLASQ@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-18  9:43                   ` Konrad Hinsen
     [not found]                   ` <m1pngmrmst.fsf@khs-macbook.home>
2019-12-18 13:09                     ` zimoun
2019-12-18 20:55                     ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-19 11:30                       ` zimoun
2019-12-19 21:39                         ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-19 22:40                           ` zimoun
2019-12-20  1:37                             ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-20 11:40                               ` zimoun
2019-12-20 21:31                                 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-21  8:40                                   ` Gábor Boskovits [this message]
2019-12-21 16:51                                   ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-30  9:44                                     ` EuAndreh via Bug reports for GNU Guix
2019-12-30 10:34                                       ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-30 12:03                                         ` zimoun
2019-12-30 15:06                                           ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-30 17:55                                             ` zimoun
2019-12-30 21:10                                               ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-30 21:32                                                 ` zimoun
2019-12-31 18:09                                                 ` Ludovic Courtès
2019-12-31 19:09                                                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2020-01-01 19:23                                                     ` zimoun
2019-12-20 23:02                                 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-12-21  0:04                                   ` zimoun
     [not found]                     ` <CAJ3okZ3zSS0Rbnu5eLhpYHPvSY1emaj=-estQcjRwiJ3=4RMMA@mail.gmail.com>
2019-12-20 11:24                       ` Konrad Hinsen
     [not found]                       ` <m1fthfz1db.fsf@ordinateur-de-catherine--konrad.home>
2019-12-20 12:03                         ` zimoun
2019-12-20 21:08                           ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-12-23  9:28                             ` Danny Milosavljevic
2020-01-02  9:49                             ` Andy Wingo
2019-12-20 21:12                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
     [not found]                     ` <87v9qapuq6.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-12-21 15:18                       ` Konrad Hinsen
2019-12-19 16:31                 ` bug#38529: Deprecating ‘guix environment’? Ludovic Courtès
     [not found]                 ` <87k16snuoz.fsf_-_@gnu.org>
2019-12-19 22:48                   ` zimoun
2019-12-20 11:17                   ` Konrad Hinsen
     [not found]                   ` <m1immbz1ny.fsf@ordinateur-de-catherine--konrad.home>
2019-12-20 13:21                     ` zimoun
2019-12-08 22:43 ` bug#38529: Make --pure the default for `guix environment'? Leo Famulari
2019-12-09  5:23 ` Maxim Cournoyer
2022-08-19 14:28   ` Maxim Cournoyer
2019-12-09 17:37 ` Jesse Gibbons
2019-12-12 19:33   ` zimoun

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