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From: Konrad Hinsen <konrad.hinsen@fastmail.net>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: 22629@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#22629: Channels!
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 17:30:14 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m15zzt42d5.fsf@ordinateur-de-catherine--konrad.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87efeh9rm8.fsf@gnu.org>

Hi Ludo,

> Mark’s concern is not about whether packages are the latest version,
> etc.  It’s about the constraints that could result from widespread
> development of channels outside Guix proper: technically all of Guix is

That's how I understood it as well. If/when Guix becomes somebody else's
dependency, then there will be pressure on stability in Guix itself.

My point is that this will happen anyway if Guix is adopted more widely.
Every manifest file, personal or shared as part of a software package
("guix.scm"), relies on the same technical details as a
channel. Introducing channels only makes the issue more visible.

And this is really the same issue as with the stability of the packages
themselves, Guix being a kind of superpackage. Most people want agility
for the software layer they are most concerned with, and stability for
all layers below it. For Mark (and certainly others here), Guix happens
to be the layer they are most concerned with.

> I’d rather not build fancy mechanisms just for the sake of external
> channels, and I certainly don’t want to commit to API stability.  We

At this point, certainly not. But I agree with Mark that, if channels
"take off", there will be pressure in that direction.

Konrad.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-29 15:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-11 10:35 bug#22629: Towards a new 'guix pull' Ludovic Courtès
2017-02-22  7:57 ` Pjotr Prins
2017-02-24 18:21   ` Leo Famulari
2018-04-08 16:48 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-04-08 17:45   ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-31 14:43   ` bug#22629: [PATCH 0/4] 'guix pull' produces a self-contained Guix Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 14:43     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 1/4] self: Produce a complete package with the 'guix' command Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 14:43     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 2/4] pull: Install the new Guix in a profile Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 14:43     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 3/4] self: Compute and use locale data Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 14:43     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 4/4] self: Build the Info manual Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 14:53     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 0/4] 'guix pull' produces a self-contained Guix Thompson, David
2018-06-01 12:13       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-03 13:08         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-06-03 20:29           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-04 19:12             ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-31 18:00     ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-06-04 11:20       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-05 11:45         ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-06-06 13:24           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-06 15:54             ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-06-06 20:49               ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 18:58     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-06-01 12:11       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-05 16:47     ` Fis Trivial
2018-06-06 13:27       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-06 20:58         ` Fis Trivial
2018-06-09 10:07     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-09-15 20:39       ` bug#28471: guix pull doesn't update the user manual Maxim Cournoyer
     [not found]         ` <handler.28471.D22629.152853885816765.notifdone@debbugs.gnu.org>
2018-06-13 21:46           ` bug#22629: bug#28471: closed (Re: bug#22629: [PATCH 0/4] 'guix pull' produces a self-contained Guix) Ludovic Courtès
2018-07-19  4:45     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 0/4] 'guix pull' produces a self-contained Guix Chris Marusich
2018-07-19 12:15       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-28 15:16 ` bug#22629: Channels! Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-28 15:17   ` bug#22629: [PATCH 1/3] discovery: Add 'scheme-modules*' Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-28 15:17     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 2/3] Add (guix describe) and use it to initialize '%package-search-path' Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-28 15:17     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 3/3] DRAFT Add (guix channels) and use it in (guix scripts pull) Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-28 17:24   ` bug#22629: Channels! Pjotr Prins
2018-08-28 19:52   ` Mark H Weaver
2018-08-28 21:52     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-29  4:09     ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-29 14:25       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-29 15:30         ` Konrad Hinsen [this message]
2018-08-29 20:50           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-29  9:29     ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-08-29 17:14       ` bug#22629: Channels not needed for a stable branch (was: Channels!) Mark H Weaver
2018-08-29 18:26         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-08-30  5:57           ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-30  6:42             ` bug#22629: Channels not needed for a stable branch Mark H Weaver
2018-08-30 10:10               ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-30 12:18                 ` bug#22629: “Stable” branch Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-30 14:10                   ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-08-30 22:02                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-31  9:39                       ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-31  9:58                         ` bug#26608: " Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-31 10:33                           ` bug#32022: " Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-31 13:01                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-31 11:24                       ` bug#26608: " Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-08-31 11:45                       ` bug#32022: " Ricardo Wurmus
2018-09-03 14:10                       ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-09-03 19:52                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-09-04  8:02                           ` bug#26608: " Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-09-04 12:22                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-09-03 20:27                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-08-20 11:09                       ` bug#26608: " zimoun
2018-08-30 14:46                   ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-29 21:02         ` bug#22629: Channels not needed for a stable branch Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-30 21:29   ` bug#22629: Channels! Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-30 21:31     ` bug#22629: [PATCH v2 1/3] discovery: Add 'scheme-modules*' Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-30 21:31       ` bug#22629: [PATCH v2 2/3] Add (guix describe) and use it to initialize '%package-search-path' Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-31 12:21         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-08-31 13:56           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-31 14:32             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-08-30 21:31       ` bug#22629: [PATCH v2 3/3] Add (guix channels) and use it in (guix scripts pull) Ludovic Courtès
2018-09-02 15:11     ` bug#22629: Channels! Ludovic Courtès

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