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From: Mark H Weaver <mhw@netris.org>
To: "Ludovic Courtès" <ludo@gnu.org>
Cc: 22629@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#22629: Channels!
Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2018 15:52:06 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <877ekagtg9.fsf@netris.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87pny2iks2.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic \=\?utf-8\?Q\?Court\=C3\=A8s\=22'\?\= \=\?utf-8\?Q\?s\?\= message of "Tue, 28 Aug 2018 17:16:29 +0200")

Hi Ludovic,

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:
> Currently third-party channels are expected to provide nothing but
> package modules.

I'd like to say again that I have grave concerns that this could be the
death-knell for long-term innovation in Guix.  It's likely that whenever
a change is proposed that will break these third-party channels, there
will be resistance, and efforts to preserve backward compatibility.

Even things as seemingly innocuous as moving a package from one module
to another will impact these third-party channels, not to mention
changing our internal APIs or making fundamental changes to the way
packages are specified.

Part of why I'm so interested in Guix is because it currently has nearly
unconstrained potential to grow into something far more beautiful and
elegant than it is today.

I fear that with the introduction of channels, that potential will be
drastically curtailed, and that we're essentially trading our future
potential for what will in practice, most likely, be primarily used to
facilitate the use of non-free software on Guix.

When I start to see signs of resistance to changes for the sake of
third-party channels, then I'll know I was right to be fearful, and
Guix will become far less interesting to me.

       Mark

  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-08-28 20:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-02-11 10:35 bug#22629: Towards a new 'guix pull' Ludovic Courtès
2017-02-22  7:57 ` Pjotr Prins
2017-02-24 18:21   ` Leo Famulari
2018-04-08 16:48 ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-04-08 17:45   ` Nils Gillmann
2018-05-31 14:43   ` bug#22629: [PATCH 0/4] 'guix pull' produces a self-contained Guix Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 14:43     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 1/4] self: Produce a complete package with the 'guix' command Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 14:43     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 2/4] pull: Install the new Guix in a profile Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 14:43     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 3/4] self: Compute and use locale data Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 14:43     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 4/4] self: Build the Info manual Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 14:53     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 0/4] 'guix pull' produces a self-contained Guix Thompson, David
2018-06-01 12:13       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-03 13:08         ` Pjotr Prins
2018-06-03 20:29           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-04 19:12             ` Pjotr Prins
2018-05-31 18:00     ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-06-04 11:20       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-05 11:45         ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-06-06 13:24           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-06 15:54             ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-06-06 20:49               ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-05-31 18:58     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-06-01 12:11       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-05 16:47     ` Fis Trivial
2018-06-06 13:27       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-06-06 20:58         ` Fis Trivial
2018-06-09 10:07     ` Ludovic Courtès
2017-09-15 20:39       ` bug#28471: guix pull doesn't update the user manual Maxim Cournoyer
     [not found]         ` <handler.28471.D22629.152853885816765.notifdone@debbugs.gnu.org>
2018-06-13 21:46           ` bug#22629: bug#28471: closed (Re: bug#22629: [PATCH 0/4] 'guix pull' produces a self-contained Guix) Ludovic Courtès
2018-07-19  4:45     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 0/4] 'guix pull' produces a self-contained Guix Chris Marusich
2018-07-19 12:15       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-28 15:16 ` bug#22629: Channels! Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-28 15:17   ` bug#22629: [PATCH 1/3] discovery: Add 'scheme-modules*' Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-28 15:17     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 2/3] Add (guix describe) and use it to initialize '%package-search-path' Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-28 15:17     ` bug#22629: [PATCH 3/3] DRAFT Add (guix channels) and use it in (guix scripts pull) Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-28 17:24   ` bug#22629: Channels! Pjotr Prins
2018-08-28 19:52   ` Mark H Weaver [this message]
2018-08-28 21:52     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-29  4:09     ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-29 14:25       ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-29 15:30         ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-29 20:50           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-29  9:29     ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-08-29 17:14       ` bug#22629: Channels not needed for a stable branch (was: Channels!) Mark H Weaver
2018-08-29 18:26         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-08-30  5:57           ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-30  6:42             ` bug#22629: Channels not needed for a stable branch Mark H Weaver
2018-08-30 10:10               ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-30 12:18                 ` bug#22629: “Stable” branch Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-30 14:10                   ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-08-30 22:02                     ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-31  9:39                       ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-31  9:58                         ` bug#26608: " Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-31 10:33                           ` bug#32022: " Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-31 13:01                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-31 11:24                       ` bug#26608: " Jan Nieuwenhuizen
2018-08-31 11:45                       ` bug#32022: " Ricardo Wurmus
2018-09-03 14:10                       ` Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-09-03 19:52                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-09-04  8:02                           ` bug#26608: " Alex Sassmannshausen
2018-09-04 12:22                             ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-09-03 20:27                         ` Ludovic Courtès
2021-08-20 11:09                       ` bug#26608: " zimoun
2018-08-30 14:46                   ` Konrad Hinsen
2018-08-29 21:02         ` bug#22629: Channels not needed for a stable branch Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-30 21:29   ` bug#22629: Channels! Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-30 21:31     ` bug#22629: [PATCH v2 1/3] discovery: Add 'scheme-modules*' Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-30 21:31       ` bug#22629: [PATCH v2 2/3] Add (guix describe) and use it to initialize '%package-search-path' Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-31 12:21         ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-08-31 13:56           ` Ludovic Courtès
2018-08-31 14:32             ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-08-30 21:31       ` bug#22629: [PATCH v2 3/3] Add (guix channels) and use it in (guix scripts pull) Ludovic Courtès
2018-09-02 15:11     ` bug#22629: Channels! Ludovic Courtès

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