bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

Steps to reproduce
==================

1. Go to https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/packages/g.html
2. Locate a guix package, and click on the "Expand" button


Unexpected behavior
===================

The description shows the logotype of the Guix System Distribution.


Expected behavior
=================

The description shows the logotype of the Guix package manager.


Additional information
======================

Source files for Guix and GuixSD logos are available in the artwork 
repository (see https://savannah.gnu.org/git/?group=guix).


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bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hello Felipe!

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:

> Steps to reproduce
> ==================
>
> 1. Go to https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/packages/g.html
> 2. Locate a guix package, and click on the "Expand" button
>
>
> Unexpected behavior
> ===================
>
> The description shows the logotype of the Guix System Distribution.

The list of GNU package logos is maintained separately, in the “GNU
womb” project at <https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/womb>.  So in
general such reports should go to bug-womb@gnu.org.

However, I would argue that the original Guix logotype is mostly
superseded by the other one.  I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s
confusion to have two logos, and that the GuixSD one is cute anyway.
:-)

WDYT?

Thanks!

Ludo’.

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Christopher Allan Webber]

Ludovic Courtès writes:

> Hello Felipe!
>
> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:
>
>> Steps to reproduce
>> ==================
>>
>> 1. Go to https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/packages/g.html
>> 2. Locate a guix package, and click on the "Expand" button
>>
>>
>> Unexpected behavior
>> ===================
>>
>> The description shows the logotype of the Guix System Distribution.
>
> The list of GNU package logos is maintained separately, in the “GNU
> womb” project at <https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/womb>.  So in
> general such reports should go to bug-womb@gnu.org.
>
> However, I would argue that the original Guix logotype is mostly
> superseded by the other one.  I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s
> confusion to have two logos, and that the GuixSD one is cute anyway.
> :-)
>
> WDYT?

I strongly support this.

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Mathieu Lirzin]

Hi,

ludo@gnu.org (Ludovic Courtès) writes:

> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:
>
>> Steps to reproduce
>> ==================
>>
>> 1. Go to https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/packages/g.html
>> 2. Locate a guix package, and click on the "Expand" button
>>
>>
>> Unexpected behavior
>> ===================
>>
>> The description shows the logotype of the Guix System Distribution.
>
> The list of GNU package logos is maintained separately, in the “GNU
> womb” project at <https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/womb>.  So in
> general such reports should go to bug-womb@gnu.org.
>
> However, I would argue that the original Guix logotype is mostly
> superseded by the other one.  I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s
> confusion to have two logos, and that the GuixSD one is cute anyway.
> :-)

As long as Guix and GuixSD are not synonymous, I would argue that mixing
the two logos increases confusion, whether it looks pretty or not.
Especially since the logos include their name.

If the choice of using GuixSD logo when designing Guix is about
esthetics, maybe we could use the same symbol for both logos.  Maybe
with a slightly different color that would help distinguish them?

What do people think?

-- 
Mathieu Lirzin

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Chris Marusich]

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Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> writes:

>> However, I would argue that the original Guix logotype is mostly
>> superseded by the other one.  I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s
>> confusion to have two logos, and that the GuixSD one is cute anyway.
>> :-)
>
> As long as Guix and GuixSD are not synonymous, I would argue that mixing
> the two logos increases confusion, whether it looks pretty or not.
> Especially since the logos include their name.
>
>
> What do people think?

Please understand that this is just my own opinion.

I think branding matters.  And I think using one icon for the "Guix" and
"GuixSD" logos is better branding than two very different-looking icons.
Having two icons does not make the difference clearer.  If anything, I
feel that it is MORE confusing because it fails to emphasize the common
component: Guix.

Consider Nix.  They use only one icon [1] on the websites for Nix [2]
and NixOS [3].  When you see it, you know the brand is Nix.  Nix and
NixOS are closely related to one another, so it's natural to share the
icon.  What's the difference?  A logo won't tell you; you need to read
the manual to learn that.  But you know it's Nix, regardless of how it's
being used.

I think GNU Guix should use one logo to strengthen its branding.  The
golden GNU [4] is better than the other one [5], so that's what I'd use.

> If the choice of using GuixSD logo when designing Guix is about
> esthetics, maybe we could use the same symbol for both logos.  Maybe
> with a slightly different color that would help distinguish them?

Since the words "Guix" and "GuixSD" are already different, I don't think
they need to come in a different color.  I do like the off-color "SD" in
the "GuixSD" logo, though, since it emphasizes that it's still Guix.

[1] https://nixos.org/logo/nixos-logo-only-hires.png
[2] https://nixos.org/nix/
[3] https://nixos.org/
[4] http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/guix-artwork.git/plain/logo/GuixSD.svg
[5] http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/guix/guix-artwork.git/plain/logo/guix-logo.svg

-- 
Chris

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bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Mathieu Lirzin]

Hi Chris,

Chris Marusich <cmmarusich@gmail.com> writes:

> Mathieu Lirzin <mthl@gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> However, I would argue that the original Guix logotype is mostly
>>> superseded by the other one.  I’ve come to the conclusion that it’s
>>> confusion to have two logos, and that the GuixSD one is cute anyway.
>>> :-)
>>
>> As long as Guix and GuixSD are not synonymous, I would argue that mixing
>> the two logos increases confusion, whether it looks pretty or not.
>> Especially since the logos include their name.
>>
>>
>> What do people think?
>
> Please understand that this is just my own opinion.
>
> I think branding matters.  And I think using one icon for the "Guix" and
> "GuixSD" logos is better branding than two very different-looking icons.
> Having two icons does not make the difference clearer.  If anything, I
> feel that it is MORE confusing because it fails to emphasize the common
> component: Guix.

I would not say that having different icons is confusing, however I
agree that having one icon can help to visually see how they relate to
each other.

> Consider Nix.  They use only one icon [1] on the websites for Nix [2]
> and NixOS [3].  When you see it, you know the brand is Nix.  Nix and
> NixOS are closely related to one another, so it's natural to share the
> icon.  What's the difference?  A logo won't tell you; you need to read
> the manual to learn that.  But you know it's Nix, regardless of how it's
> being used.
>
> I think GNU Guix should use one logo to strengthen its branding.  The
> golden GNU [4] is better than the other one [5], so that's what I'd use.
>
>> If the choice of using GuixSD logo when designing Guix is about
>> esthetics, maybe we could use the same symbol for both logos.  Maybe
>> with a slightly different color that would help distinguish them?
>
> Since the words "Guix" and "GuixSD" are already different, I don't think
> they need to come in a different color.  I do like the off-color "SD" in
> the "GuixSD" logo, though, since it emphasizes that it's still Guix.

That would definetely match what the Nix project is doing.  While IMO
Nix is not necessarily a model to follow, this would definitely be
better than what is currently done for Guix/GuixSD "branding".

Thanks,

-- 
Mathieu Lirzin

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi!

Chris Marusich <cmmarusich@gmail.com> skribis:

> Since the words "Guix" and "GuixSD" are already different, I don't think
> they need to come in a different color.  I do like the off-color "SD" in
> the "GuixSD" logo, though, since it emphasizes that it's still Guix.

Right.  I thought that having “SD” in light gray kind of makes the logo
usable for both Guix{,SD}.

(And I agree with the branding argument.)

I’d like to know what Felipe thinks of this since he’s the expert.  :-)

Cheers,
Ludo’.

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2016-12-16 05:28, ludo@gnu.org wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Chris Marusich <cmmarusich@gmail.com> skribis:
> 
>> Since the words "Guix" and "GuixSD" are already different, I don't 
>> think
>> they need to come in a different color.  I do like the off-color "SD" 
>> in
>> the "GuixSD" logo, though, since it emphasizes that it's still Guix.
> 
> Right.  I thought that having “SD” in light gray kind of makes the logo
> usable for both Guix{,SD}.
> 
> (And I agree with the branding argument.)
> 
> I’d like to know what Felipe thinks of this since he’s the expert.  :-)


Well, I didn't know it was decided to use GuixSD icon for Guix as well. 
I agree with Mathieu and Chris Marusich: use the same icon is fine, but 
not the same text. For example:

~v~ Guix
~v~ GuixSD

If this is OK, then I think we should:

- Add an updated Guix logo to the artwork repo.
- Send a copy to GNU womb for update.
- Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/download/
- Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/graphics/
- Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/help/

I can do the above, so yes? :)


-- 
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http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Ricardo Wurmus]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:

> Well, I didn't know it was decided to use GuixSD icon for Guix as well. 
> I agree with Mathieu and Chris Marusich: use the same icon is fine, but 
> not the same text. For example:
>
> ~v~ Guix
> ~v~ GuixSD
>
> If this is OK, then I think we should:
>
> - Add an updated Guix logo to the artwork repo.
> - Send a copy to GNU womb for update.
> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/download/
> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/graphics/
> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/help/
>
> I can do the above, so yes? :)

This sounds good.  Thank you!

~~ Ricardo

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2016-12-16 11:08, Ricardo Wurmus wrote:
> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:
> 
>> Well, I didn't know it was decided to use GuixSD icon for Guix as 
>> well.
>> I agree with Mathieu and Chris Marusich: use the same icon is fine, 
>> but
>> not the same text. For example:
>> 
>> ~v~ Guix
>> ~v~ GuixSD
>> 
>> If this is OK, then I think we should:
>> 
>> - Add an updated Guix logo to the artwork repo.
>> - Send a copy to GNU womb for update.
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/download/
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/graphics/
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/help/
>> 
>> I can do the above, so yes? :)
> 
> This sounds good.  Thank you!


Ok, I made the changes in the artwork repository, which will be visible 
for users in the next deployment of the website.

Next, I'll contact GNU womb to update the logo over there.


-- 
Luis Felipe López Acevedo
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:
> 
> Well, I didn't know it was decided to use GuixSD icon for Guix as well.
> I agree with Mathieu and Chris Marusich: use the same icon is fine, but
> not the same text. For example:
> 
> ~v~ Guix
> ~v~ GuixSD
> 
> If this is OK, then I think we should:
> 
> - Add an updated Guix logo to the artwork repo.
> - Send a copy to GNU womb for update.
> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/download/
> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/graphics/
> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/help/

These tasks are done, and changes are online now.

The updated Guix logo in the package list should be visible once GNU 
womb links to the new image 
(https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-womb/2016-12/msg00001.html).


-- 
Luis Felipe López Acevedo
http://sirgazil.bitbucket.org/

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Mathieu Lirzin]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:

> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:
>>
>> Well, I didn't know it was decided to use GuixSD icon for Guix as well.
>> I agree with Mathieu and Chris Marusich: use the same icon is fine, but
>> not the same text. For example:
>>
>> ~v~ Guix
>> ~v~ GuixSD
>>
>> If this is OK, then I think we should:
>>
>> - Add an updated Guix logo to the artwork repo.
>> - Send a copy to GNU womb for update.
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/download/
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/graphics/
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/help/
>
> These tasks are done, and changes are online now.
>
> The updated Guix logo in the package list should be visible once GNU
> womb links to the new image
> (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-womb/2016-12/msg00001.html).

Thanks!  Amazing work as always.  :)

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Mathieu Lirzin
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bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Ludovic Courtès]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:

> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:
>>
>> Well, I didn't know it was decided to use GuixSD icon for Guix as well.
>> I agree with Mathieu and Chris Marusich: use the same icon is fine, but
>> not the same text. For example:
>>
>> ~v~ Guix
>> ~v~ GuixSD
>>
>> If this is OK, then I think we should:
>>
>> - Add an updated Guix logo to the artwork repo.
>> - Send a copy to GNU womb for update.
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/download/
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/graphics/
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/help/
>
> These tasks are done, and changes are online now.
>
> The updated Guix logo in the package list should be visible once GNU
> womb links to the new image
> (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-womb/2016-12/msg00001.html).

Great, thank you!

Ludo’.

bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Chris Marusich]

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Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:

> Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> writes:
>>
>> Well, I didn't know it was decided to use GuixSD icon for Guix as well.
>> I agree with Mathieu and Chris Marusich: use the same icon is fine, but
>> not the same text. For example:
>>
>> ~v~ Guix
>> ~v~ GuixSD
>>
>> If this is OK, then I think we should:
>>
>> - Add an updated Guix logo to the artwork repo.
>> - Send a copy to GNU womb for update.
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/download/
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/graphics/
>> - Update https://www.gnu.org/software/guix/help/
>
> These tasks are done, and changes are online now.
>
> The updated Guix logo in the package list should be visible once GNU
> womb links to the new image
> (https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-womb/2016-12/msg00001.html).

Looks great!  Does the guix-artwork repository contain the "horizontal"
version that is currently published on the website?  I couldn't find it.

I've also noticed that the Wikipedia article is still using the other
logo.  I attempted to update it, but because I don't have an account, I
wasn't able to replace the SVG file with the new one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guix

I don't suppose someone on this thread can fix the Wikipedia article?
If not, I'll try again once the 10-day "autoconfirm" period of
restricted access for new Wikipedia accounts passes.

FWIW, there also appears to be a copy of the logo in Wikimedia commons:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Guix-logo.svg

I tried to update this one, too, but the Wikimedia uploader rejected the
SVG files as "corrupt".

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Chris

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bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2016-12-17 16:05, Chris Marusich wrote:

[...]

> Looks great!  Does the guix-artwork repository contain the "horizontal"
> version that is currently published on the website?  I couldn't find 
> it.


Yes, the SVG file for each logo has variants (horizontal, light, dark, 
etc.). In Inkscape, you can select a variant and export it.


> I've also noticed that the Wikipedia article is still using the other
> logo.  I attempted to update it, but because I don't have an account, I
> wasn't able to replace the SVG file with the new one.
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guix
> 
> I don't suppose someone on this thread can fix the Wikipedia article?
> If not, I'll try again once the 10-day "autoconfirm" period of
> restricted access for new Wikipedia accounts passes.


I have an account and could update Guix article, but I won't have time 
until next Thursday (maybe).


> FWIW, there also appears to be a copy of the logo in Wikimedia commons:
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Guix-logo.svg
> 
> I tried to update this one, too, but the Wikimedia uploader rejected 
> the
> SVG files as "corrupt".


The current SVGs from the artwork repository were rejected as corrupt?


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bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

GNU womb updated the image.

This bug is fixed.

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bug#25205: Guix Wikipedia page logo updated

[Tobias Geerinckx-Rice]

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Guix,

[First debbugs post, let's hope this works.]

I've updated the Guix Wikipedia page to use the new ‘unified’ logo.

Since Wikimedia rejects our SVG, I had to resort to copy-pasting the
original image in Inkscape and saving it as a new file.

It wasn't pretty, but the new logo sure is.

Kind regards,

T G-R


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bug#25205: Guix package is using the GuixSD logo instead of the Guix logo

[Ludovic Courtès]

Luis Felipe López Acevedo <felipe.lopez@openmailbox.org> skribis:

> GNU womb updated the image.

Thanks for taking care of this!

Ludo’.

bug#25205: Guix Wikipedia page logo updated

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hi!

Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@tobias.gr> skribis:

> [First debbugs post, let's hope this works.]

It does!  :-)

> I've updated the Guix Wikipedia page to use the new ‘unified’ logo.

Great, thank you!

Ludo’.