From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de>
To: Zelphir Kaltstahl <zelphirkaltstahl@posteo.de>
Cc: guile-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile]
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2019 08:44:54 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191023064454.62ibetmd55ckxvgb@pelzflorian.localdomain> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <52f11940-4770-86fe-d669-0287c62becd8@posteo.de>
On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 02:57:03AM +0200, Zelphir Kaltstahl wrote:
> You did not address the other point I raised though: Dependency on a
> third party server (and all the implications, when/if it gets hacked
> again).
A matrix server and its coordination server could be hosted by anyone;
AFAIK it is simple HTTP. Most projects would not host the
coordination server themselves though.
I do not know the legal implications from offering encrypted, private
communications which would AFAIK be offered implicitly when using
Matrix even though we do not need it. It may be legally preferrable
to have a serverless communications medium that need not be hosted,
Gnunet-style (not to mention that supporting another GNU project fits
well). My outdated impression is that the Gnunet project is far from
offering popular messaging apps though.
Additionally, few people have real security. Most people download
software from all over the internets and run it. At the very least,
people's operating system provider could be forced by law or by
crackers to push a trojan via update. Claiming more security than
what can be offered seems dishonest.
> There is also the problem of non-searchable content. You cannot, as far
> as I know, search in a search engine through Discord or Riot messages.
> If content by tendency of "quickly solving the problem in chat" moves to
> non-searchable medium, it will mean, that searching in search engines
> does not benefit from those solutions.
>
There should be searchable logs. I am confident searchable logs can
be implemented for Matrix like they can with IRC.
Matrix may be a step forward from IRC or it may not matter at all.
I do not know as I am not using synchronous communication personally.
Regards,
Florian
prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-23 6:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-20 6:10 Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] Todor Kondić
2019-10-20 6:14 ` John Cowan
2019-10-21 6:35 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-10-21 13:45 ` Amirouche Boubekki
2019-10-23 6:16 ` Amirouche Boubekki
2019-10-23 6:27 ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-23 6:48 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 10:37 ` Chris Vine
2019-10-23 11:25 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 12:33 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 13:47 ` tomas
2019-10-23 14:10 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 19:09 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2019-10-23 19:26 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 19:19 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-24 1:01 ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-24 9:19 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-24 9:35 ` mailmam, web bridge, forum, p2p (was: Diversification) Amirouche Boubekki
2019-10-24 12:30 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-24 14:15 ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-24 16:39 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-24 23:42 ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-25 1:39 ` mailmam, web bridge, forum, p2p Mike Gerwitz
2019-10-26 7:48 ` tomas
2019-10-26 10:35 ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-26 11:34 ` tomas
2019-10-27 4:50 ` Mike Gerwitz
2019-10-27 5:32 ` Mike Gerwitz
2019-10-27 8:50 ` tomas
2019-10-27 8:36 ` tomas
2019-10-27 14:26 ` Keith Wright
2019-10-27 19:28 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-25 6:08 ` mailmam, web bridge, forum, p2p (was: Diversification) pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-25 6:23 ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-26 4:31 ` mailmam, web bridge, forum, p2p Mike Gerwitz
2019-10-26 9:35 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-26 11:31 ` tomas
2019-10-24 13:32 ` mailmam, web bridge, forum, p2p (was: Diversification) tomas
2019-10-24 15:03 ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-24 15:12 ` tomas
2019-10-24 16:35 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-26 8:04 ` tomas
2019-10-26 9:42 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-26 11:31 ` tomas
2019-10-25 11:30 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2019-10-25 12:53 ` Nala Ginrut
2020-09-05 6:15 ` Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] Joshua Branson via General Guile related discussions
2020-09-05 11:50 ` Web development Zelphir Kaltstahl
2020-09-05 13:09 ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-28 11:04 ` mailman web interface (was: Diversification) pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2020-07-08 12:32 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2020-09-05 6:21 ` mailman web interface Joshua Branson via General Guile related discussions
2020-09-05 7:53 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2020-09-05 13:32 ` Joshua Branson
2019-10-23 13:43 ` Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] tomas
2019-10-23 17:39 ` Chris Vine
2019-10-23 19:58 ` Mailman web interface [was: Re: Diversification] pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 20:02 ` Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-26 8:14 ` tomas
2019-10-26 9:03 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-26 11:26 ` tomas
2019-10-26 13:02 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-26 15:23 ` tomas
2019-10-26 16:47 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-26 17:09 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
[not found] ` <874kzslwq0.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-10-28 15:41 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 13:45 ` tomas
2019-10-20 8:07 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-20 8:08 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-22 18:47 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-22 19:23 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-22 20:51 ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-10-22 23:24 ` Chris Vine
2019-10-23 0:57 ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-23 6:44 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) [this message]
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=20191023064454.62ibetmd55ckxvgb@pelzflorian.localdomain \
--to=pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de \
--cc=guile-user@gnu.org \
--cc=zelphirkaltstahl@posteo.de \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).