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From: tomas@tuxteam.de
To: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de>
Cc: guile-user@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile]
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:14:22 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191026081422.GF15076@tuxteam.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191023200211.ewmkz4cklmev4zgy@pelzflorian.localdomain>

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On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:02:11PM +0200, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 03:43:26PM +0200, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
> > But perhaps we need
> > bridges between cultures and not just between tools. And that
> > takes deep thinking (and people instead of machines, maybe).
> > 
> 
> I believe good mailing list etiquette is similar to good forum
> etiquette.  Today’s culture is not a forum culture, of course.

I'm talking of a more implicit culture.

I've taken part in more than one of those "split medium" situations,
the most common that one where the whole company had Outlook as their
UI whereas I had mutt. Issues like "top posting" were typical (top
posting being confusing for me, in-quote posting for most of the
rest of the world) and many other such subtleties.

If someone tries to explain something to someone else about one
of the exchanged messages, it is often in terms of the GUI. You
only become aware of that when you try to live at the rift.

Think "semantic markup" (which doesn't really exist). People think
in terms of "bold", "italic", "top left" etc, because that's how
they /read/ -- those markup's "semantic" varies just so slightly
depending on context. Then academicians come and say "no, no,
you have to think "semantically", i.e. in terms of "strong",
"emphasised", "important", etc -- and they are right, but then
they're not, because they are just peeling the onion off its
999th skin. When they finish, there's no onion :-)

At the end, the medium is (at least part of) the message, to steal
a well-known word.

Sorry for the rambling -- I hope you understand now what I
meant by "culture".

Cheers
-- tomás

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-26  8:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 75+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-20  6:10 Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] Todor Kondić
2019-10-20  6:14 ` John Cowan
2019-10-21  6:35   ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-10-21 13:45     ` Amirouche Boubekki
2019-10-23  6:16   ` Amirouche Boubekki
2019-10-23  6:27     ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-23  6:48     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 10:37       ` Chris Vine
2019-10-23 11:25         ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 12:33           ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 13:47             ` tomas
2019-10-23 14:10               ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 19:09                 ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2019-10-23 19:26                   ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 19:19             ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-24  1:01               ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-24  9:19                 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-24  9:35                 ` mailmam, web bridge, forum, p2p (was: Diversification) Amirouche Boubekki
2019-10-24 12:30                   ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-24 14:15                     ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-24 16:39                       ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-24 23:42                         ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-25  1:39                     ` mailmam, web bridge, forum, p2p Mike Gerwitz
2019-10-26  7:48                       ` tomas
2019-10-26 10:35                         ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-26 11:34                           ` tomas
2019-10-27  4:50                         ` Mike Gerwitz
2019-10-27  5:32                           ` Mike Gerwitz
2019-10-27  8:50                             ` tomas
2019-10-27  8:36                           ` tomas
2019-10-27 14:26                           ` Keith Wright
2019-10-27 19:28                             ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-25  6:08                     ` mailmam, web bridge, forum, p2p (was: Diversification) pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-25  6:23                       ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-26  4:31                       ` mailmam, web bridge, forum, p2p Mike Gerwitz
2019-10-26  9:35                         ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-26 11:31                           ` tomas
2019-10-24 13:32                   ` mailmam, web bridge, forum, p2p (was: Diversification) tomas
2019-10-24 15:03                     ` Nala Ginrut
2019-10-24 15:12                       ` tomas
2019-10-24 16:35                         ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-26  8:04                           ` tomas
2019-10-26  9:42                             ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-26 11:31                               ` tomas
2019-10-25 11:30                       ` Mikael Djurfeldt
2019-10-25 12:53                         ` Nala Ginrut
2020-09-05  6:15               ` Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] Joshua Branson via General Guile related discussions
2020-09-05 11:50                 ` Web development Zelphir Kaltstahl
2020-09-05 13:09                   ` Ricardo Wurmus
2019-10-28 11:04             ` mailman web interface (was: Diversification) pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2020-07-08 12:32               ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2020-09-05  6:21                 ` mailman web interface Joshua Branson via General Guile related discussions
2020-09-05  7:53                   ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2020-09-05 13:32                     ` Joshua Branson
2019-10-23 13:43         ` Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] tomas
2019-10-23 17:39           ` Chris Vine
2019-10-23 19:58             ` Mailman web interface [was: Re: Diversification] pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 20:02           ` Diversification [ branched from Re: conflicts in the gnu project now affect guile] pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-26  8:14             ` tomas [this message]
2019-10-26  9:03               ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-26 11:26                 ` tomas
2019-10-26 13:02                   ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-26 15:23                     ` tomas
2019-10-26 16:47                     ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-26 17:09                       ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
     [not found]                         ` <874kzslwq0.fsf@elephly.net>
2019-10-28 15:41                           ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-23 13:45       ` tomas
2019-10-20  8:07 ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-20  8:08   ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)
2019-10-22 18:47 ` Mark H Weaver
2019-10-22 19:23   ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-22 20:51     ` Arne Babenhauserheide
2019-10-22 23:24     ` Chris Vine
2019-10-23  0:57       ` Zelphir Kaltstahl
2019-10-23  6:44         ` pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)

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