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From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, 58158@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#58158: 29.0.50; [overlay] Interval tree iteration considered harmful
Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:48:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvill6rvm9.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83o7uyfh5o.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 29 Sep 2022 16:23:47 +0300")

>> > I may be missing something, but it looks like the sole purpose of the
>> > iter_start/iter_finish dance is to ensure only one iteration per tree
>> > is running at any given time, and that's because the iteration uses
>> > some state variable(s) of which there's only one instance per tree.
>> >
>> > Stefan, am I missing something?
>> 
>> One reason is that traversing a binary tree usually requires something
>> like recursion, but that wouldn't fit very conveniently with the current
>> code (nor with C in general since you can't make a local recursive
>> closure which accesses local variables from the surrounding function).
>
> I'm not sure I understand how recursion is related.  Are you saying
> that recursion is replaced with iteration?  But then, if _start and
> _finish are called by the same caller, we don't really need the
> protection, since no one can start another iteration while the first
> one runs.  Right?

Typically, current code will look something like:

    int x;
    Lisp_Object y;

    buffer_overlay_iter_start (current_buffer, prev, pos, ITREE_DESCENDING);
    while ((node = buffer_overlay_iter_next (current_buffer)))
      {
        ... do something that updates x and y ...
      }
    buffer_overlay_iter_finish (current_buffer);

If we were to use recursion, then we'd need to define a new (recursive)
function which does what's currently done in the `while` loop, but this
function can't access `x` and `y`, so it would need to take them as
argument, or a reference to them...

The use of an iterator is definitely convenient (and is a standard
approach in many languages).

>> Another is the need to update the begin/end fields (these need updating
>> because of insertions/deletions but they're updated lazily while
>> traversing the tree to avoid an O(N) complexity during the
>> insertions/deletions).  Hiding that behind 'some kind of "next node"
>> function keeps the code more readable.
>
> Where in the code do you see iteration that adds or deletes nodes?

No, I meant insertion/deletion of text in the buffer, thus requiring
updates to `begin/end` fields.

> Btw, couldn't we handle this by having a flag in the node that tells
> us whether the begin/end fields can be trusted?  Then the first caller
> who need them would run the update and reset the flags, and we still
> have lazy update, albeit somewhat less lazy, but without the need for
> guarding the iteration with start/finish calls.  Would that work?

Yes, it would, but it's still O(N).
The current approach is inspired by the approach used in `intervals.c`
which also updates those fields lazily/ondemand so as to avoid the O(N)
performance impact.

>> For now, I pushed a simple fix to traverse the tree "by hand" in the GC
>> rather than via the iterator.
> So this removes the restriction of not having GC during iteration?

Yes.

> Also, I take it that you don't consider the current code is as
> "harmful" as Gerd thinks it is?

I don't like the global state it uses, but I think we can fix this
aspect without too much trouble.

> IOW, you don't share his opinion that this implementation is
> a "no-go"?

No, indeed, I don't.


        Stefan






  reply	other threads:[~2022-09-29 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-29  5:29 bug#58158: 29.0.50; [overlay] Interval tree iteration considered harmful Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29  6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29  7:03   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29  8:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29  9:09       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29  9:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 10:05           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 10:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 11:33               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 13:10               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-29 13:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 16:48                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors [this message]
2022-09-29 13:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 14:15                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 14:37                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 22:09                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-30  5:28                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-30  6:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 11:31                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-30 18:29                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-02  8:06                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-06 22:36                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-07 19:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-08 18:50                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-10  8:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  2:12                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11  6:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 11:36                                       ` xref-query-replace-in-results error message after xref-find-definitions, was: " Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 11:51                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 12:10                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 12:17                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 12:44                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 12:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 14:55                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 16:01                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 16:41                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 16:50                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 20:31                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-12  5:17                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 10:06                                                               ` John Yates
2022-10-12 10:17                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                   ` <CAJnXXogKsM=gMTFi2NivDMHW4A3EBtBtsNDBV3o5vcu2xXfuvw@mail.gmail.com>
2022-10-12 13:21                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 16:12                                                                       ` John Yates
2022-10-12 13:47                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-12 14:05                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 14:04                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 14:07                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 15:07                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 15:37                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 13:25                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-30 14:08                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-30 15:25                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-30 16:04                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 17:11                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-01  5:06                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-01 13:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-02  8:22                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-02 16:32                                     ` Andreas Politz
2022-10-03  4:35                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-04 10:50                                         ` Andreas Politz
2022-10-01  7:25                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-01 10:55                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-01 14:01                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-29 16:40                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-01  1:57         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-01  7:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 22:26 ` Matt Armstrong
2023-10-06 13:14 ` Gerd Möllmann

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