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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: xref-query-replace-in-results error message after xref-find-definitions, was: Re: bug#58158: 29.0.50; [overlay] Interval tree iteration considered harmful
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:17:44 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83v8oqeeqf.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5bb803bf-f51b-c175-f908-c60066d6967d@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:10:47 +0300)

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:10:47 +0300
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> 
> >> How about:
> >>
> >>     Cannot perform replacements in this search's results
> > 
> > This is similar to the original message.
> 
> It is, because it tries to be accurate foremost, covering all potential 
> situations.
> 
> But, like I explained, your new message is not much better: it still 
> tries to be "high-level", rather than stating particulars, and while 
> doing that, contradicts some objective facts.
> 
> It might be worth it if it were very clear to the user and true in 99% 
> of the situations, but that doesn't looks like the case.
> 
> > Its problem is that it
> > states the fact, but doesn't attempt to explain it, and thus doesn't
> > give a clue what the user did wrong and how to fix that.
> 
> How does one explain that we cannot replace in xref-find-definitions 
> results?

That's what the "subset of matches of identifier" part attempts to do.

> And also because replacing in xref-find-definitions results doesn't make 
> sense to begin with.

I agree that it makes no sense.  The problem is how to say that in a
general enough way.

> > If it's possible to come up with the semantics of xref-match-length or
> > of "match xrefs", maybe that could be useful.
> 
> Those are basically generalized versions of xref file matches (also 
> almost same info as what M-x Grep provides), which contain the line 
> number and column, and length of the match. We obtain the first two 
> pieces of info lazily, but we need the last one as well.

And why do the results of xref-find-definitions lack that?

> > I still have no idea how to improve the error message.
> 
> Perhaps I should remind that xref-find-definitions is still the main 
> exception -- where this command doesn't work.

But not the only one?

> We also had some talks previously where it's been suggested that we 
> should try to show different UIs by default, for xref-find-definitions 
> results, and for other xref searches. IIRC you disagreed.

'r' is just one command which is sensitive to the differences.  AFAIR,
most other commands aren't.  So it makes sense to use the same UI.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-11 12:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-29  5:29 bug#58158: 29.0.50; [overlay] Interval tree iteration considered harmful Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29  6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29  7:03   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29  8:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29  9:09       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29  9:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 10:05           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 10:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 11:33               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 13:10               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-29 13:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 16:48                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-29 13:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 14:15                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 14:37                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 22:09                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-30  5:28                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-30  6:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 11:31                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-30 18:29                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-02  8:06                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-06 22:36                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-07 19:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-08 18:50                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-10  8:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  2:12                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11  6:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 11:36                                       ` xref-query-replace-in-results error message after xref-find-definitions, was: " Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 11:51                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 12:10                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 12:17                                             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-10-11 12:44                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 12:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 14:55                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 16:01                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 16:41                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 16:50                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 20:31                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-12  5:17                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 10:06                                                               ` John Yates
2022-10-12 10:17                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                   ` <CAJnXXogKsM=gMTFi2NivDMHW4A3EBtBtsNDBV3o5vcu2xXfuvw@mail.gmail.com>
2022-10-12 13:21                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 16:12                                                                       ` John Yates
2022-10-12 13:47                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-12 14:05                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 14:04                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 14:07                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 15:07                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 15:37                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 13:25                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-30 14:08                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-30 15:25                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-30 16:04                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 17:11                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-01  5:06                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-01 13:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-02  8:22                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-02 16:32                                     ` Andreas Politz
2022-10-03  4:35                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-04 10:50                                         ` Andreas Politz
2022-10-01  7:25                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-01 10:55                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-01 14:01                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-29 16:40                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-01  1:57         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-01  7:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 22:26 ` Matt Armstrong
2023-10-06 13:14 ` Gerd Möllmann

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