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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: xref-query-replace-in-results error message after xref-find-definitions, was: Re: bug#58158: 29.0.50; [overlay] Interval tree iteration considered harmful
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 19:01:12 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83k056e4dz.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f549dcd6-62a6-ab96-46ad-4bf20f7e3395@yandex.ru> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Tue, 11 Oct 2022 17:55:02 +0300)

> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 17:55:02 +0300
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
> 
> On 11.10.2022 15:55, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> >> But we can try to be helpful by offering an alternative:
> >>
> >>     Cannot replace in this search; to rename a symbol, invoke
> >> \\[xref-find-references] first
> > 
> > But then we'd need to name the other 2 commands as well, to be
> > accurate, yes?
> 
> If our conclusion is that the error is due to user trying to rename a 
> symbol (and failing because xref-find-definitions's results don't allow 
> them to do so), then xref-find-references is exactly the right suggestion.

That's true.

> > So maybe just saying
> > 
> >    Cannot do global replacement using results of \\[xref-find-definitions]
> > 
> > should be okay?
> 
> Isn't it almost the same as I suggested upthread? Except I suggested 
> "this search" instead of naming the specific command.

I'm not trying to argue, I'm trying to find the best message text.  It
doesn't matter who suggested it first, what matters whether it is
accurate and self-explanatory.

> Do you think naming it will be helpful enough to sacrifice the 10% 
> accuracy of the message? I suppose someone might have indeed forgotten 
> that they did the search using xref-find-definitions.

What are the 10% of inaccuracy?  If the message will only ever be
shown when 'r' is invoked after M-., then what is inaccurate in it?

> >> That would mean that one 'r' can work in lsp-mode's
> >> xref-find-definitions results (they define a bunch of custom commands
> >> like lsp-find-definition and lsp-find-declaration, but that probably
> >> doesn't matter). Not sure if we should do something about that.
> > 
> > If 'r' happens to work in that case, we don't have to worry about the
> > error message, right?
> 
> That's correct, but having the command succeed might be a problem by 
> itself, couldn't it? It will rename the definitions (and/or 
> declarations), but not other occurrences.

No error message could possibly prevent that from happening, could it?

> If we go in from this direction, we can have 
> xref-show-definitions-buffer (the default 
> xref-show-definitions-function) ensure that the binding for 'r' is set 
> to some command that always reports an error (like 'cannot replace in 
> definitions'), or is unbound.

But users can always invoke the command by name as well.

> This would do nothing for custom values of 
> xref-show-definitions-function, but should remove most of the confusion 
> with default configuration. And some non-default ones as well (lsp-mode 
> doesn't change the value of xref-show-definitions-function).
> 
> If the docstring of xref-show-definitions-function looks okay to you, we 
> can use its vocabulary.
> 
>    Cannot replace in definition search results
> 
> should cover xref-find-definitions, lsp-find-definition and 
> lsp-find-declaration. Wouldn't help with lsp-find-implementation, though 
> (its results are also questionable WRT renaming because they don't 
> include all references either), but it won't make it worse.

Hmm... maybe

  Cannot perform global replacement in find-definition results

Another idea would be for the error message to be constructed
dynamically, and include the precise command that produced the Xref
buffer, if xref.el could record that in some buffer-local variable.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-10-11 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-29  5:29 bug#58158: 29.0.50; [overlay] Interval tree iteration considered harmful Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29  6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29  7:03   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29  8:08     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29  9:09       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29  9:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 10:05           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 10:43             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 11:33               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 13:10               ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-29 13:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 16:48                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-29 13:40                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-29 14:15                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 14:37                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-29 22:09                     ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-30  5:28                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-30  6:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 11:31                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-30 18:29                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-02  8:06                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-06 22:36                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-07 19:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-08 18:50                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-10  8:10                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11  2:12                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11  6:37                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 11:36                                       ` xref-query-replace-in-results error message after xref-find-definitions, was: " Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 11:51                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 12:10                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 12:17                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 12:44                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 12:55                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 14:55                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 16:01                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-10-11 16:41                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 16:50                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 20:31                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-12  5:17                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 10:06                                                               ` John Yates
2022-10-12 10:17                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                                                                   ` <CAJnXXogKsM=gMTFi2NivDMHW4A3EBtBtsNDBV3o5vcu2xXfuvw@mail.gmail.com>
2022-10-12 13:21                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 16:12                                                                       ` John Yates
2022-10-12 13:47                                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-12 14:05                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 14:04                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 14:07                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 15:07                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 15:37                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 13:25                         ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-30 14:08                           ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-30 15:25                             ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-30 16:04                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-30 17:11                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-01  5:06                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-01 13:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-02  8:22                                   ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-02 16:32                                     ` Andreas Politz
2022-10-03  4:35                                       ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-04 10:50                                         ` Andreas Politz
2022-10-01  7:25                               ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-01 10:55                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-10-01 14:01                                 ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-09-29 16:40                   ` Stefan Monnier via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors
2022-10-01  1:57         ` Richard Stallman
2022-10-01  7:00           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-06 22:26 ` Matt Armstrong
2023-10-06 13:14 ` Gerd Möllmann

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