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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	"59559@debbugs.gnu.org" <59559@debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: bug#59559: 28.1; `minibuffer-with-setup-hook' with :append
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2023 16:38:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <SJ0PR10MB5488EA8EAA7D6A96D3CFE7E7F3C89@SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87bkmppchf.fsf@web.de>

> Drew, thanks for your elaborations.

You're welcome.  Thanks for working on this.

> I don't have a strong opinion.  I can follow your thoughts, but I'm also
> not really convinced that writing that all out in the docstring is
> necessary.
> 
> So I would like to leave it up to you two to find a final agreement.

Eli has now decided - apparently it's "won't fix".

FWIW, I think this kind of interface is inherently
problematic (for the reasons I gave).  It's not
similar to, say, `add-hook', where APPEND can be
an optional arg.  (Nor is it like CL keyword args.)

No one has any trouble understanding that a macro
like `with-current-buffer' evals its first arg,
so no special need for the doc to point that out.
If this case were like that (and others, similar)
I wouldn't have filed the bug report.

It's the use by `minibuffer-with-setup-hook' of
the same arg with two forms, and with evaluation
not always of that arg but sometimes of just part
of it -- that's what makes it problematic for the
doc to just talk about FUN being a function.  IMO
the doc does _need_ to talk about how the arg is
handled (evaluated).

FWIW, I would have just had two macros, instead
of fiddling with a special kind of arg:

1. `with-mbuf-setup-hook-add'  (or
   `with-mbuf-setup-hook-prepend')

2. `with-mbuf-setup-hook-append'


That also uses fewer chars:

(with-mbuf-setup-hook-append #'toto ...)

(minibuffer-with-setup-hook (:append #'toto) ...)


Even if "minibuffer" is spelled out it's shorter:

(with-minibuffer-setup-hook-append #'toto ...)

And starting with "with-" fits what we do with
other, similar macros.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-23 16:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-25  2:55 bug#59559: 28.1; `minibuffer-with-setup-hook' with :append Drew Adams
2022-11-25  3:07 ` Drew Adams
2023-01-10 17:37   ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-10 18:37     ` Drew Adams
2023-01-10 19:34       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-10 19:53         ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-10 20:56           ` Drew Adams
2023-01-10 20:45         ` Drew Adams
2023-01-21 14:36           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-21 15:35             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 16:07               ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-21 18:43                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 18:57                   ` Drew Adams
2023-01-21 19:26                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 18:51               ` Drew Adams
2023-01-21 19:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 20:57                   ` Drew Adams
2023-01-21 18:41             ` Drew Adams
2023-01-21 19:29               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 20:27                 ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-22  5:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22 22:10                     ` Drew Adams
2023-01-22 22:19                       ` Drew Adams
2023-01-23  0:15                       ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-23  3:14                         ` Drew Adams
2023-01-23  3:21                           ` Drew Adams
2023-01-23 14:11                           ` Michael Heerdegen
2023-01-23 16:38                             ` Drew Adams [this message]
2023-01-23 12:15                       ` Eli Zaretskii

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