From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" <ams@gnu.org>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: eliz@gnu.org, incal@dataswamp.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Shrinking the C core
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2023 13:19:35 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1qXm5P-0002OC-2I@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y1i57jqi.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sun, 20 Aug 2023 16:37:41 +0000)
> The issue is not Emacs Lisp vs. Common Lisp. What you mean is what
> the difference is between SBCL and GNU Emacs.'
>
> The question can be rephrased as what is the difference between GNU
> Emacs and GCC? Why is GCC so much faster? And if you phrase it like
> that you will see that it really doesn't make much sense anymore,
> since you are comparing different things.
> Emacs could implement optimizaations that GCC does for C, or ADA
> .. but it breaks down very quickly.
Not really. Native compilation already uses GCC. At least on the byte
code instructions and, separately, in subr code.
There is more than just GCC vs byte code VM in it.
It is not about native compilation! It is about what OPTIMIZATIONS
can be done to the actual code flow. Just using GCC doesn't do ANY
optimizations to how the Lisp code is optimized or how its flow is
changed due to optimizations!
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2023-08-09 9:46 Shrinking the C core Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-09 10:55 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-08-09 11:03 ` Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-09 11:29 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-08-09 12:34 ` Po Lu
2023-08-09 15:51 ` Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-09 23:56 ` Po Lu
2023-08-10 1:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-10 1:47 ` Christopher Dimech
2023-08-10 1:58 ` Eric Frederickson
2023-08-10 2:07 ` Sam James
2023-08-10 2:44 ` Po Lu
2023-08-10 6:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-10 21:21 ` Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-10 21:19 ` Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-10 21:56 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 5:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-11 8:45 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 11:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-11 12:12 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 13:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-10 2:28 ` Po Lu
2023-08-10 4:15 ` Christopher Dimech
2023-08-10 7:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-10 21:54 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 10:27 ` Bignum performance (was: Shrinking the C core) Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 12:10 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 12:32 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 12:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 14:07 ` [PATCH] " Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 18:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-11 19:41 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 19:50 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-12 8:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-12 16:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-13 9:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-13 9:49 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-13 10:21 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14 2:20 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-14 2:42 ` [PATCH] Re: Bignum performance Po Lu
2023-08-14 4:16 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-14 7:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14 7:50 ` Po Lu
2023-08-14 9:28 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-15 14:28 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-14 7:20 ` [PATCH] Re: Bignum performance (was: Shrinking the C core) Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 22:46 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-12 8:30 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-12 16:22 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-13 9:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-11 14:14 ` Mattias Engdegård
2023-08-11 18:09 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-10 23:49 ` Shrinking the C core Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-11 0:03 ` Christopher Dimech
2023-08-11 8:24 ` Immanuel Litzroth
2023-08-11 7:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-11 7:19 ` tomas
2023-08-11 10:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-10 11:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-08-10 21:26 ` Eric S. Raymond
2023-08-12 2:46 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-12 3:22 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-12 8:33 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-12 15:58 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-13 9:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-13 9:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-13 10:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-13 20:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-14 0:13 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-12 18:32 ` tomas
2023-08-12 22:08 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-12 23:09 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-13 5:50 ` tomas
2023-08-13 8:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-13 15:54 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-08-13 8:00 ` Andreas Schwab
2023-08-13 9:21 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-14 7:27 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-14 7:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-14 7:50 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-15 22:57 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-16 10:27 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-19 13:29 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-20 5:09 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 6:51 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-20 7:14 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 7:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-20 13:01 ` tomas
2023-08-20 13:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 8:28 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-20 9:29 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-20 15:22 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-20 15:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 15:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-20 15:54 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 16:29 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-20 16:37 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 17:19 ` Alfred M. Szmidt [this message]
2023-08-20 17:31 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 18:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-20 19:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-27 3:53 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-20 19:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 19:24 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 2:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-21 4:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 4:15 ` Po Lu
2023-08-21 4:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 4:43 ` Po Lu
2023-08-21 5:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 5:25 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-08-21 5:34 ` Po Lu
2023-08-21 9:17 ` Add more supported primitives in libgccjit IR (was: Shrinking the C core) Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 9:42 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-21 10:36 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 11:02 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-21 11:41 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 12:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-21 14:49 ` Add more supported primitives in libgccjit IR Andrea Corallo
2023-08-23 10:11 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-25 9:19 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-08-25 11:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-25 14:26 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-08-26 11:14 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-27 1:40 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-27 7:38 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-27 13:42 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-08-27 22:19 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-28 5:04 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-08-28 19:49 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-26 0:47 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-26 8:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-26 17:52 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-21 11:05 ` Add more supported primitives in libgccjit IR (was: Shrinking the C core) Gregory Heytings
2023-08-21 11:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 12:33 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-21 11:34 ` Add more supported primitives in libgccjit IR Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-08-21 11:02 ` Add more supported primitives in libgccjit IR (was: Shrinking the C core) Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-21 11:12 ` Add more supported primitives in libgccjit IR Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-21 11:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-27 2:04 ` Shrinking the C core Emanuel Berg
2023-08-21 7:59 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-27 5:31 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-27 6:16 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-21 10:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-21 11:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 12:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-28 4:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-28 11:27 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 20:15 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-20 20:39 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 5:59 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-21 6:23 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 7:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-21 7:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 7:52 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-21 10:46 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 11:02 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-27 4:01 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-27 8:53 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-27 3:48 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-27 9:06 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-27 3:25 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-27 8:55 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 16:03 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-20 16:34 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 17:19 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-20 17:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 18:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-20 19:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-20 20:11 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-23 21:09 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-26 2:01 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-26 5:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-26 18:15 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-26 18:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-20 19:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-20 19:44 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 20:11 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-21 2:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-21 8:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 11:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-21 11:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 12:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-23 10:13 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-20 20:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-21 6:19 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-21 6:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 7:21 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-21 7:25 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 7:52 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-21 11:26 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-22 23:55 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-23 7:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-08-23 17:24 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-24 20:02 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-20 21:51 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-08-21 8:54 ` Type declarations in Elisp (was: [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core) Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-21 9:30 ` Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-21 11:13 ` Type declarations in Elisp Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-21 11:37 ` Type declarations in Elisp (was: [External] : Re: Shrinking the C core) Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-22 5:34 ` Type declarations in Elisp Gerd Möllmann
2023-08-22 6:16 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-22 11:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-22 23:33 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-25 9:29 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-08-25 20:42 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-27 8:42 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-27 14:04 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-08-27 14:07 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-27 15:46 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-08-27 17:15 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-27 18:06 ` Andrea Corallo
2023-08-28 9:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2023-08-28 19:06 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-18 8:35 ` Shrinking the C core Aurélien Aptel
2023-08-19 13:32 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-31 1:41 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-08-14 2:36 ` Richard Stallman
2023-08-14 4:12 ` Emanuel Berg
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