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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
Subject: Re: History Re: Debunking Emacs merits over GUI - Re: package for Email
Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 09:10:15 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83cz78mkh4.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR03MB545515AB49168193D63847D2A2CA9@SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> (message from David Masterson on Fri, 20 Jan 2023 22:04:08 -0800)

> From: David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
> Cc: Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>,  "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org"
>  <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 22:04:08 -0800
> 
> 2. Free Software
> 
> While RMS' goal may have been laudable, many (most) programmers could
> not see how to monetize their work in a free software environment and,
> so, went where the money was more plentiful.  Without the investment of
> big bucks that copyrighted software could command, development of Emacs
> in the 90s slowed to a crawl and depended on the programmer "with an
> itch".

The "slowed to a crawl" part doesn't match the facts: the rate of
commits in the 90s doesn't fall below that of 2000s or 2010s.  In
particular, addition of GUI X frames and m18n (a.k.a. "MULE") to Emacs
belong to the 90s: hardly a non-development.  And the development of
the current display engine started in 1998 and ended in 2000, so
technically also a "90s" feature.  Not bad for "capital-deprived"
project!

> 5. Smartphones
> 
> The iPhone is still not capable of supporting Emacs and I don't know how
> well Android could support Emacs.

See the feature/android branch in the Emacs Git repository.

> Even if they could support Emacs, Smartphones are GUI-intensive, so
> not really an environment for a text editor.

Not true, at least not in such an absolute wording.  Smartphones do
provide apps to edit text, and many people would like access to their
Org and TODO lists on the smartphone, let alone read email.

Bottom line: when you are trying to make a point, don't overdo it, and
always check against the actual facts.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-21  7:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-18 13:56 package for Email Gottfried
2023-01-18 14:44 ` Eric Brown
2023-01-18 15:15 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19  7:31   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-01-19  7:55     ` Jean Louis
2023-01-18 15:51 ` Tassilo Horn
2023-01-18 17:17   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 17:58     ` andrés ramírez
2023-01-19  3:55       ` Jean Louis
2023-01-18 16:28 ` Andreas Eder
2023-01-18 18:03 ` Milan Glacier
2023-01-19  4:02   ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19  5:06   ` Debunking Emacs merits over GUI - " Jean Louis
2023-01-19  5:41     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-19 13:00       ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 15:34         ` Marcin Borkowski
2023-01-20  8:27           ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 16:10     ` Milan Glacier
2023-01-19 16:52       ` Jude DaShiell
2023-01-20  9:32         ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 21:10       ` Bob Newell
2023-01-20  9:47         ` Jean Louis
     [not found]           ` <877cxgrc3e.mmmtqrm@thhcbmmmd.mijofcrcc.org>
2023-01-21  7:05             ` Jean Louis
2023-01-21  7:20               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-21  7:21               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21  7:28                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-21 14:29                   ` Jean Louis
2023-01-21 14:28                 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-21 15:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 17:30                     ` Bob Newell
2023-01-22 15:40                       ` Jean Louis
2023-01-20  9:07       ` Jean Louis
2023-01-20 15:52         ` Milan Glacier
2023-01-21  6:04     ` History " David Masterson
2023-01-21  7:10       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-01-21  7:21         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-21  7:34         ` tomas
2023-01-21 17:38         ` Bob Newell
2023-01-22  3:16           ` David Masterson
2023-01-22 15:48           ` Jean Louis
2023-01-22  3:08         ` David Masterson
2023-01-22  6:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22 19:33             ` David Masterson
2023-01-22 19:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22  7:45           ` Po Lu
2023-01-22 19:35             ` David Masterson
2023-01-21 14:35       ` Jean Louis
2023-01-22  3:33         ` David Masterson
2023-03-10 17:16       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-13  8:32         ` Po Lu
2023-01-18 18:10 ` Filipp Gunbin
2023-01-19  2:15 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-19 12:40   ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 14:10   ` Martin Steffen
2023-01-19 16:20     ` Eric S Fraga
2023-01-19 16:39       ` Jude DaShiell
2023-01-20 10:05         ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 17:00       ` Leo Butler
2023-01-19 17:35         ` Eric S Fraga
2023-01-20  6:48       ` Milan Glacier
2023-01-19  3:53 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19  6:08 ` John Haman
2023-01-19 11:52   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-21 13:57     ` Jean Louis
2023-01-21 15:08       ` Jude DaShiell
2023-01-21 17:47       ` Bob Newell
2023-01-22  3:46         ` David Masterson
2023-01-22 19:52           ` Bob Newell
2023-01-22  3:34     ` David Masterson
2023-01-31  5:46       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-20  4:09   ` Milan Glacier
2023-01-20  7:31     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-20 10:26     ` Jean Louis

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