From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: History Re: Debunking Emacs merits over GUI - Re: package for Email Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 09:10:15 +0200 Message-ID: <83cz78mkh4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20230118180348.gzwvy6iztok45ko3@zoho.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31376"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 21 08:10:43 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pJ81T-0007z5-3m for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 08:10:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJ81E-0001N1-Pk; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 02:10:28 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJ80z-0001Ia-L2 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 02:10:17 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJ80z-0005GY-CE for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 02:10:13 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1GiMcFJexJ72dxirvi1mLbB8CZkr/j4n1gkIWZ6Vcls=; b=nQtAGp6PJpBE fftZ/HPxdzbEp/73DgziQ8FFANi90eiZamK1k0j/JE17fwwqY8EpiH39CoNorIImb6nrZImm2c1gK JDRVc80LAAWKg4WUuptlHCNtiod6VhJGoJ7s3AISqOuMqaqHYxZcxUV0o5XYVqv5wuXgmoLcARzIV swk7Lhhw1uLYpZaSJsd0K+DQXN0GvUWDC2dLQHXZ2b5lNU0uMYrHORPsbUqklGdw3w2F7kuhBksvL 8BmX3ucaWct17OAwGEMTnk/Ks9ZH6ouRE7gjtwMMBhHR+6vhSSrO7Mm09xUPcfmJ77f2AfGoeXnkh 9MGL0dLjL1EGMRnFfN6doA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJ80y-0007jj-Sd for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 02:10:13 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from David Masterson on Fri, 20 Jan 2023 22:04:08 -0800) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142459 Archived-At: > From: David Masterson > Cc: Gottfried , "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" > > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 22:04:08 -0800 > > 2. Free Software > > While RMS' goal may have been laudable, many (most) programmers could > not see how to monetize their work in a free software environment and, > so, went where the money was more plentiful. Without the investment of > big bucks that copyrighted software could command, development of Emacs > in the 90s slowed to a crawl and depended on the programmer "with an > itch". The "slowed to a crawl" part doesn't match the facts: the rate of commits in the 90s doesn't fall below that of 2000s or 2010s. In particular, addition of GUI X frames and m18n (a.k.a. "MULE") to Emacs belong to the 90s: hardly a non-development. And the development of the current display engine started in 1998 and ended in 2000, so technically also a "90s" feature. Not bad for "capital-deprived" project! > 5. Smartphones > > The iPhone is still not capable of supporting Emacs and I don't know how > well Android could support Emacs. See the feature/android branch in the Emacs Git repository. > Even if they could support Emacs, Smartphones are GUI-intensive, so > not really an environment for a text editor. Not true, at least not in such an absolute wording. Smartphones do provide apps to edit text, and many people would like access to their Org and TODO lists on the smartphone, let alone read email. Bottom line: when you are trying to make a point, don't overdo it, and always check against the actual facts.