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From: Milan Glacier <news@milanglacier.com>
To: Gottfried <gottfried@posteo.de>,
	"help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" <help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Debunking Emacs merits over GUI - Re: package for Email
Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 10:52:59 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230120155259.2r6p5jdaan6r6wyv@zoho.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Y8pZ1ZIdRONMNmCk@protected.localdomain>

You have mentioning a good vision.This is the next step of the
Human-Computer Interaction revolution for sure.

However this is something too far away, maybe off the topic too much. I
don't know if there are any free email clients (either GUI or TUI) that
could do what you say. And if so, this is the revolution. There's no need
to recommend them, because they are destined to rule the world.

I once encounter with a proprietary email client that has some
elementary speech interaction support. And again since we are talking at
GNU mailing list I don't recommend it. I only mentions non-free software
when I am making comparison with others such that those non-free
softwares are inferior.

On 01/20/23 12:07, Jean Louis wrote:
>* Milan Glacier <news@milanglacier.com> [2023-01-19 19:12]:
>
>> Yes you are right. Average users won't feel it is powerful than GUI
>> client. GUI client already satisfies the indexing and searching need for
>> most of the user. That is the price of powerfulness, it takes time to
>> learn.
>
>When system is truly powerful it will be ergonomic to human. There
>will be hand gestures, and speech recognition. Display may be on a
>large TV screen or when user walks to kitchen to fetch a sandwich,
>monitor in the kitchen would recognize it and turn itself on, and keep
>running the video or editing of the programming code.
>
>Almost any programming language ins powerful for programmer.
>
>But for user of the program, that is for majority of no meaning. What
>people need is assistance in their life.
>
>I remember watching 1994 or 1995, perfectly functional speech
>recognition software in Germany, and I was thinking alright, that is
>what we have to have. It was writing text in German language straight
>into some word processing program.
>
>And now is 2023, and we don't have it. There is software, but it is
>all in parts and not integrated.
>
>People need integration.
>
>The non-free Android system shows pretty good integration of programs
>and assistive technologies for human. It can speak, it can become
>accessible, it provides sharing of almost anything to any
>communication channel.
>
>E-macs provides e-mails, and there is XMPP/Jabber chat, and IRC, it
>possible to connect it to communication channels, but it is all in
>parts as it comes from terminal world, not graphical world.
>
>I could imagine nice graphical choice of packages with recognizable
>identity icons, and simple descriptions, where user only need to click
>once to install it.
>
>All kinds of sharing to communication channels should be implemented
>just as the non-free Android system demonstrates it.
>
>Then the various assistive computer control like hand gestures, mouse
>gestures, eye control, speech recognition -- and THEN we can say it is
>powerful.
>
>And that is only two of features we need. Remember 2001: A Space
>Odyssey from 1968? That is what I consider how it should be, there
>shall be analogous "Hal" computer that listens to human, not only
>listens, but knows what is to be done after some training, without any
>talks.
>
>"When I wake up", "every morning", "open up doors, windows, and put my
>bed in order". Prepare my toothbrush with toothpaste ready in
>bathroom. When I enter bathroom, in the morning, give me middle stream
>of water of 19 degree temperature.
>
>When we think of objects in semantic triplets, the above statements
>are not hard to define by using speech or text.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_triple
>
>Thus programs have to be powerful from human users' view point, not
>just from programmers view point.
>
>-- 
>Jean



  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-20 15:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-18 13:56 package for Email Gottfried
2023-01-18 14:44 ` Eric Brown
2023-01-18 15:15 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19  7:31   ` Tomas Hlavaty
2023-01-19  7:55     ` Jean Louis
2023-01-18 15:51 ` Tassilo Horn
2023-01-18 17:17   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-18 17:58     ` andrés ramírez
2023-01-19  3:55       ` Jean Louis
2023-01-18 16:28 ` Andreas Eder
2023-01-18 18:03 ` Milan Glacier
2023-01-19  4:02   ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19  5:06   ` Debunking Emacs merits over GUI - " Jean Louis
2023-01-19  5:41     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-19 13:00       ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 15:34         ` Marcin Borkowski
2023-01-20  8:27           ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 16:10     ` Milan Glacier
2023-01-19 16:52       ` Jude DaShiell
2023-01-20  9:32         ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 21:10       ` Bob Newell
2023-01-20  9:47         ` Jean Louis
     [not found]           ` <877cxgrc3e.mmmtqrm@thhcbmmmd.mijofcrcc.org>
2023-01-21  7:05             ` Jean Louis
2023-01-21  7:20               ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-21  7:21               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21  7:28                 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-21 14:29                   ` Jean Louis
2023-01-21 14:28                 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-21 15:31                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21 17:30                     ` Bob Newell
2023-01-22 15:40                       ` Jean Louis
2023-01-20  9:07       ` Jean Louis
2023-01-20 15:52         ` Milan Glacier [this message]
2023-01-21  6:04     ` History " David Masterson
2023-01-21  7:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-21  7:21         ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-21  7:34         ` tomas
2023-01-21 17:38         ` Bob Newell
2023-01-22  3:16           ` David Masterson
2023-01-22 15:48           ` Jean Louis
2023-01-22  3:08         ` David Masterson
2023-01-22  6:23           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22 19:33             ` David Masterson
2023-01-22 19:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-22  7:45           ` Po Lu
2023-01-22 19:35             ` David Masterson
2023-01-21 14:35       ` Jean Louis
2023-01-22  3:33         ` David Masterson
2023-03-10 17:16       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-03-13  8:32         ` Po Lu
2023-01-18 18:10 ` Filipp Gunbin
2023-01-19  2:15 ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-19 12:40   ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 14:10   ` Martin Steffen
2023-01-19 16:20     ` Eric S Fraga
2023-01-19 16:39       ` Jude DaShiell
2023-01-20 10:05         ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19 17:00       ` Leo Butler
2023-01-19 17:35         ` Eric S Fraga
2023-01-20  6:48       ` Milan Glacier
2023-01-19  3:53 ` Jean Louis
2023-01-19  6:08 ` John Haman
2023-01-19 11:52   ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-21 13:57     ` Jean Louis
2023-01-21 15:08       ` Jude DaShiell
2023-01-21 17:47       ` Bob Newell
2023-01-22  3:46         ` David Masterson
2023-01-22 19:52           ` Bob Newell
2023-01-22  3:34     ` David Masterson
2023-01-31  5:46       ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-20  4:09   ` Milan Glacier
2023-01-20  7:31     ` Emanuel Berg
2023-01-20 10:26     ` Jean Louis

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